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steagall1000 2009-05-04 18:15

Laser Jammers on the NEWS!!!
 
I don't think in my opinon, that this was a good Idea for Eric to do this. Only because its better, that Laser Jammers are less known to the Police departments. The less the officers know about these devices the better. According to one officer, he thinks these devices don't work. Lets let them keep believing that, and not put laws against them. By going on the news, eric has now put everyone out there who owns a jammer in a bad situation if they JTG the officer. Its only a matter of time until every state makes a law against these devices. Please give me your feed back on this video?

YouTube - erickonphoenix Fox News Profile

jaminc 2009-05-04 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by steagall1000 (Post 3393)
I don't think in my opinon, that this was a good Idea for Eric to do this. Only because its better, that Laser Jammers are less known to the Police departments. The less the officers know about these devices the better. According to one officer, he thinks these devices don't work. Lets let them keep believing that, and not put laws against them. By going on the news, eric has now put everyone out there who owns a jammer in a bad situation if they JTG the officer. Its only a matter of time until every state makes a law against these devices. Please give me your feed back on this video?

YouTube - erickonphoenix Fox News Profile

Not a good move. This will only create an awareness from LEOs to be on the lookout for countermeasures, create an environment for new devices to beat ours, and animosity from the law enforcement community. They may not pull him over speeding if they can't get a lock on him, but they sure could harass him for something else and that is just a headache that I would prefer not to go through. Stealth is the name of the game....sigh!

steagall1000 2009-05-04 21:46

Stupid is as Stupid Does!
 
Jaminc,

What makes it worse, is not every police officer really cares to look at Youtube videos. But now that eric has done this, it will lead Law enforcement to my videos along with others who have video proof of what these devices really do. Which can cause problems for me and others on the highway. Your right "Stealth" is whats its all about, but how can we be Stealth when others screw it up for us. I'll admit, I have videos of jamming cops on youtube. But I would never put myself on public TV and share what devices I have on my car to the whole world!!! Especially Law enforcement... I don't know what eric was thinking, but the LEO's are not your friend. So much for keeping his low profile.. Now they will really mess with him.:ranting2:

jaminc 2009-05-04 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by steagall1000 (Post 3397)
Jaminc,

What makes it worse, is not every police officer really cares to look at Youtube videos. But now that eric has done this, it will lead Law enforcement to my videos along with others who have video proof of what these devices really do. Which can cause problems for me and others on the highway. Your right "Stealth" is whats its all about, but how can we be Stealth when others screw it up for us. I'll admit, I have videos of jamming cops on youtube. But I would never put myself on public TV and share what devices I have on my car to the whole world!!! Especially Law enforcement... I don't know what eric was thinking, but the LEO's are not your friend. So much for keeping his low profile.. Now they will really mess with him.:ranting2:

x2. If I am a cop in Houston, I would be looking to pull over every black GTO on the street for the opportunity to catch him. Showing his face, his car and giving his first name...those guys are little smarter than that can fill in the gaps. I say it again, what was he thinking? :stupido2:

Veil Guy 2009-05-04 23:08

jaminc,

"Stealth is the name of the game..." :vroam:

Now your talking my language :listen: which is music to my ears! :thrasher:

Veil Guy :driver:

category4 2009-05-05 21:08

Well Eric is retiring the GTO, so I feel bad for the guy he sells it to. Can you imagine what he's getting himself into?

Speed Trap Hunter 2009-05-05 23:31

A suggestion to consider for us
 
I hadn't actually watched the link that Scott posted until I get an unexpected message on my iPhone today from another STH member privately expressing concern.

While I don't believe this individual is actually participating on this site, Speed Trap Hunter, I do believe that could lead to some confusion since they (Fox News) referred to him as "Speed Trap Crasher."

I light of this and the potential challenges it may bring to our entire online community--either her or at rd.net--I think it is safe to suggest that we should all re-evaluate what we're doing here when we post our videos online to YouTube or via other social-media.

To be sure, I created this site as an alternative venue to rd.net to bring its own flavor to the online community, to act really as an educational bridge to help facilitate a mutual respect that comes from understanding potentially "competing interests."

With respect to Veil and my company's particular laser "countermeasure" designed for civilian use, it has never been my intention that our products be used, either in whole or in part, as a means to conduct oneself socially irresponsibly.

Rules and regulations (checks-and-balances) are there for a reason, to establish a certain "order" to things, a balance, if you will.

I believe the purpose of a radar detector (or in fact any "tool" called into service) is to simply provide its owner with sufficient awareness to enhance a driver's safe behavior on a public roadway that is subject to the "controls" put in place.

If would posit this nation--which I use as a my own self-induced "control" mechanism while I strive to drive safely:

If you are using a radar detector as a means to speed more, then I believe you are mis-using it.

If anything, a radar detector is one thing at its core, a tool to enhance (not replace) your situational awareness.


Perhaps going forward, any videos that anyone connected directly (as a participating member) show how these products can be used to enhance safety and not speed.

For example, with some of the latest videos that were posted to Speed Trap Hunter's Youtube channel were conducted "lawfully" in that I wasn't speeding.

I don't believe the lessons learned were any less than had I been "speeding."

A friend of mine, Craig Peterson, who is someone that I can to for getting some historical perspective on manned-traffic enforcement (of the past) and now automated forms, has on more than one occasion suggested that I use caution in the production of any videos that I personally may publish. I think he is correct, for our sakes. With our inherit freedoms-of-speech carries with it a burden to use our right(s) responsibly.

Perhaps that can be our own differentiator, "Speed Trap Hunter":

we're not speeders, but merely enthusiasts who share a collective passion for the driving experience and all the tools that we use that enhance our safe driving behaviors.

Guys, C4, how does that sound to you?

I would like to thank Scott and the STH member who PM'd me about it.

I hope this sufficiently address your concern(s) Scott.

STH

jaminc 2009-05-06 00:24

Well stated
 
I appreciate the time you took to write this, STH. It is well thought out and respectfully written and I agree with it 100%. I respect the Law Enforcement community and the fact that they have a job to do as much as I respect our right to pursue a hobby in a responsible manner while enjoying the driving experience.

It is unfortunate that parties (a few) on both sides feel a need to push the envelope of what is and is not acceptable and thus creates an environment of distrust and antagonism. If they want to "clock" me then I will try to "block" them but I will not flaunt it in their faces.

Keep flying below the radar, guys.

Milecrusher 2009-05-07 06:41

Unfortunate actions like this are another "catalyst" for over zealous government officals to impose a ban on our hobbies. It also furthers law enforcements opinions that some people use their "hobbies" to flout law enforcement. We need to use our heads for something other than a hat rack.
IMHO.

Speed Trap Hunter 2009-05-07 08:07

That's why gentlemen I suggest we collectively consider what we're trying to accomplish in all of this.

I for one, love our nation and respect the rule-sets that have been established. While I may personally disagree with particular manifestations of the rule-sets, I respect them none-the-less.

The vision that I had intended for this site was to bring together a whole host of different perspectives, those of citizens, those of traffic enforcement, those of those of policy makers/formers to allow a genuine discussion on the subject of highway safety and attempting to achieve a healthy balance between (often) competing or seemingly conflicting ideals.

To that end, I while I appreciate everyone's contribution here to this point, that we share a mutual understanding that, yes at its core, it is a hobby.

We're not anarchists or those who believe in promoting socially irresponsible behavior. I respect the law enforcement community, they have a job to do that does serve our collective safety interests.

To the extent that videos are posted online from any of our members, I would simply request that you do it responsibility.

The freedoms/rights we have in our cherished nation do come with an obligation to active civilly obedient.

For example we have the right to free-speech, as manifested on forums and other online communities. But with that sacred right, we also have a responsibility (and obligation) to use that right in a civilly responsible way.

The right to free speech, doesn't extend to one who would yell "fire a movie theatre" if there were none.

Let's celebrate and responsibly enjoy our hobby, not contribute to creating a perception that we all lawless punks.

The battle of ideas are often "won" from the "middle" and not from the "extreme."

Please guys, lets find/define and then faithfully establish our "middle."

STH

happya$$ 2009-05-07 18:48

SAD WTH are people thinking abusing our tools?

steagall1000 2009-05-07 19:35

I agree 100%
 
I agree with this 100%, Thank you for taking the time STH to share with us your thoughts and feelings on this subject. It means alot :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed Trap Hunter (Post 3409)
I hadn't actually watched the link that Scott posted until I get an unexpected message on my iPhone today from another STH member privately expressing concern.

While I don't believe this individual is actually participating on this site, Speed Trap Hunter, I do believe that could lead to some confusion since they (Fox News) referred to him as "Speed Trap Crasher."

I light of this and the potential challenges it may bring to our entire online community--either her or at rd.net--I think it is safe to suggest that we should all re-evaluate what we're doing here when we post our videos online to YouTube or via other social-media.

To be sure, I created this site as an alternative venue to rd.net to bring its own flavor to the online community, to act really as an educational bridge to help facilitate a mutual respect that comes from understanding potentially "competing interests."

With respect to Veil and my company's particular laser "countermeasure" designed for civilian use, it has never been my intention that our products be used, either in whole or in part, as a means to conduct oneself socially irresponsibly.

Rules and regulations (checks-and-balances) are there for a reason, to establish a certain "order" to things, a balance, if you will.

I believe the purpose of a radar detector (or in fact any "tool" called into service) is to simply provide its owner with sufficient awareness to enhance a driver's safe behavior on a public roadway that is subject to the "controls" put in place.

If would posit this nation--which I use as a my own self-induced "control" mechanism while I strive to drive safely:

If you are using a radar detector as a means to speed more, then I believe you are mis-using it.

If anything, a radar detector is one thing at its core, a tool to enhance (not replace) your situational awareness.


Perhaps going forward, any videos that anyone connected directly (as a participating member) show how these products can be used to enhance safety and not speed.

For example, with some of the latest videos that were posted to Speed Trap Hunter's Youtube channel were conducted "lawfully" in that I wasn't speeding.

I don't believe the lessons learned were any less than had I been "speeding."

A friend of mine, Craig Peterson, who is someone that I can to for getting some historical perspective on manned-traffic enforcement (of the past) and now automated forms, has on more than one occasion suggested that I use caution in the production of any videos that I personally may publish. I think he is correct, for our sakes. With our inherit freedoms-of-speech carries with it a burden to use our right(s) responsibly.

Perhaps that can be our own differentiator, "Speed Trap Hunter":

we're not speeders, but merely enthusiasts who share a collective passion for the driving experience and all the tools that we use that enhance our safe driving behaviors.

Guys, C4, how does that sound to you?

I would like to thank Scott and the STH member who PM'd me about it.

I hope this sufficiently address your concern(s) Scott.

STH


steagall1000 2009-05-07 19:38

You Got It!!
 
Jaminic,

I could not have said this better myself. Lets "Stay Under the Radar" :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by jaminc (Post 3412)
I appreciate the time you took to write this, STH. It is well thought out and respectfully written and I agree with it 100%. I respect the Law Enforcement community and the fact that they have a job to do as much as I respect our right to pursue a hobby in a responsible manner while enjoying the driving experience.

It is unfortunate that parties (a few) on both sides feel a need to push the envelope of what is and is not acceptable and thus creates an environment of distrust and antagonism. If they want to "clock" me then I will try to "block" them but I will not flaunt it in their faces.

Keep flying below the radar, guys.


crazyVOLVOrob 2009-05-19 13:04

This place is full of:
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jaminc 2009-05-19 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob (Post 3564)
Will you agree not to JTG officers? That is as good as telling them that jammers do work.

Erick has proper procedure with his jammers and kills them when he is at or close to PSL which is the proper way to use a jammer

I agree that jamming officers and not allowing a fix only makes things worse and that is why I will not do it. The only time I can see this happening is if it is a close range hit where it does not allow time to get under the PSL.

We have to use our heads if we are going to use countermeasures to enjoy our driving experiences.:driver:

steagall1000 2009-05-19 19:42

Agreed!!
 
Jaminic,

I agree its not best to jam the officer to the gun, but your right there is not much you can do at close range shots. I run into those all the time. I have had a few 300 foot shots taken toward my car by officers, so when I JTG them, I don't feel so bad. But I do agree on long range shots its best to slow down and cut the jammer off :)



Quote:

Originally Posted by jaminc (Post 3567)
I agree that jamming officers and not allowing a fix only makes things worse and that is why I will not do it. The only time I can see this happening is if it is a close range hit where it does not allow time to get under the PSL.

We have to use our heads if we are going to use countermeasures to enjoy our driving experiences.:driver:


jaminc 2009-05-19 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by steagall1000 (Post 3568)
Jaminic,

I agree its not best to jam the officer to the gun, but your right there is not much you can do at close range shots. I run into those all the time. I have had a few 300 foot shots taken toward my car by officers, so when I JTG them, I don't feel so bad. But I do agree on long range shots its best to slow down and cut the jammer off :)

I think we are all on the same page:five:


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