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Old 2009-07-03
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I just got Veil yesterday and applied it to my headlamps and other areas. What I then realized is that my daylights are always on and there is NO WAY to turn them off. I called the dealership to make certain there was no trick or setting I might be overlooking and there isn't. It's a General Motors setting that can't be altered or overridden to allow manual operation. (2001 Monte Carlo)

If the purpose of Veil is to reduce reflectivity of the laser beam, how do lights being on constantly reduce the effectiveness of what Veil is made to do? Did I just spend almost a hundred bucks for nothing?
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Currently, the effect of DRL (Daytime Running Lamps/Lights) on police LIDAR remains a great unknown.

Although we've see, recently, that both HID headlamps as well as various traditional halogen-incandescent headlamps, in DRL use format, can cause rather unpredictable responses on current-generation police LIDAR devices (anything from delayed lock to eliciting error or even spurious jam-codes), the biggest concern is that none of these one-off instances are consistently manifest, and as-such, no-one should count on these effects/observations for any kind of true "countermeasure."

In terms of DRL or other such lighting reducing the efficacy of VEIL and/or other passive protective measures, that is, to the best of my recall, an area which has not yet been tested in the independent, enthusiast/hobbyist, community.

However, given the way in which police LIDAR works, I truly doubt that there's any negative effect or degradation of performance, in terms of the VEIL. I believe that you'll get just as good protection, whether or not your vehicle utilized DRLs.

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RE: DRL -

Check your specific vehicle's on-line enthusiast Forums.

Depending on the vehicle, "deactivating" DRLs may be as easy as pulling a plug or snipping a wire, and in many cases, can also be easily re-enabled, and also will not elicit any CELs/DTCs ("Check Engine Light warning").

For both of our Subarus, for example, it's a matter of simply unplugging the relay. In my '05 Legacy, this relay exists inside the cabin, near the cabin main fusebox. In my wife's '09 Forester, this relay is in the engine compartment, near the passenger's side foglamp housing and the intake airbox resonator.

This is not information that your dealer will give you. It's akin to having them rip out (one of) your vehicle's cat(s). They're not going to tell you because they're forbidden from doing so.

However, this is something that many in the enthusiast community may know where to look, and what to do.


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Currently, the effect of DRL (Daytime Running Lamps/Lights) on police LIDAR remains a great unknown.

In terms of DRL or other such lighting reducing the efficacy of VEIL and/or other passive protective measures, that is, to the best of my recall, an area which has not yet been tested in the independent, enthusiast/hobbyist, community.

However, given the way in which police LIDAR works, I truly doubt that there's any negative effect or degradation of performance, in terms of the VEIL. I believe that you'll get just as good protection, whether or not your vehicle utilized DRLs.

With the myriad of tests covering the gamut of possible scenarios by enthusiasts and results leaked by the police, how did this one slip by? I find it kind of amazing.

I'd like to think the same way regarding protection, however your openiing statement about DRL on police LIDAR remaining a great unknown overrides that "belief".

How does LIDAR work on VEIL'ed headlamps when normal night lights are on at dusk... is it immediate penetration, easier penetration, or the same if lights were off? Wouldn't it be similar for daylights based on those results?

I do like the automatic light feature especially when it starts to rain, gets dark, or shuts off automatically since I've been known to leave them on with cars that don't have it. Even if I could find an answer, can DRL be separated alone from the rest of the automatic sensor process?
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With the myriad of tests covering the gamut of possible scenarios by enthusiasts and results leaked by the police, how did this one slip by? I find it kind of amazing.
Although many have noticed such performance inconsistencies, none have really pursued this - and I think a part of the problem is the tremendous permutations of possibilities that such testing may bring. Here's just a few:

HID
- OEM versus aftermarket
- aftermarket plug-and-play ballast-and-bulb kits versus full retrofit
--- subcategory of retrofits would be the different lenses/optics used, specifically
- color temperature
- rated "wattage"

halogen-incandescent
- optics
- versus HIR
- color temperature
- rated wattage

optical effects of primary and/or secondary headlamp covers

etc...

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I'd like to think the same way regarding protection, however your openiing statement about DRL on police LIDAR remaining a great unknown overrides that "belief".
Exactly - given the inconsistencies, I'm really uncomfortable saying to anyone that "yes, X or Y lighting will/will not confer advantage/disadvantage."

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How does LIDAR work on VEIL'ed headlamps when normal night lights are on at dusk... is it immediate penetration, easier penetration, or the same if lights were off? Wouldn't it be similar for daylights based on those results?
This, I'm afraid, will have to be left to VEIL Guy. I would not know, except for my own speculations, and I do not think that it would benefit you to share only my daydreams.

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I do like the automatic light feature especially when it starts to rain, gets dark, or shuts off automatically since I've been known to leave them on with cars that don't have it. Even if I could find an answer, can DRL be separated alone from the rest of the automatic sensor process?
^ Unknown, this would be something to pursue with your specific-vehicle enthusiasts and hobbyists.

With my vehicles, yes, all other functions remain the same, only the DRL is deactivated.


TSi+WRX's Sig:- Allen/Usual Suspect "DumboRAT"/One of the Three Stooges

LI Rev.2.8, Ver.7.03 - quad 8.0A-f w/ 8.5 Slim-r
LPP v8.3h(CAN/AU)/10.1s, 2xF/1xR
9500i, Red (4307) w/ZR3
VEIL G4
CR8APL8s, w/LaserShield(F)
Cheetah GPS-Mirror

[ Wifey's FXT -> Bue 8500x50 (Rev.5); LI Rev.2.9, Ver.7.08 - dual 8.5 ]

Me: '05 Legacy 2.5GT Ltd., mildly modified
Wifey: '09 Forester XT, barely modded
Baby-Anna: too short to reach any pedals!
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With my vehicles, yes, all other functions remain the same, only the DRL is deactivated.
Just out of curiosity, you deactived the DRL because.....?
Did anything that concerns me also influence your reasons for the DRL being shut off?

Other than the VEIL protection issue with lights on (if it does in fact matter), I see no other reason to deactivate them for myself.
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