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Old 2009-06-26
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Hi Veilguy

Slightly of topic, but still relavent to the covers story, our plates are made from reflective backings on a perspex plate. I have made my plates from non reflective backing, hopefully to reduce the reflection and range. I don't know of any laws here prohibiting a license plate cover, but since I haven't seen any covers I believe the officers would be suspisous if they encounter one.

I remember reading that it was said Veil wasn't as effective directly on the plates, would that be correct in the case of metal plates as used in the U.S.A as well as perspex plates?
In the state of Md. a lot of people put plastic covers on their tags. I think maybe to protect them against cameras. I mean even old ladies and old men like myself have them. My brother a Md. officer said it is definately against the law to cover any tag. even if it still legible..BUT... they don't seem to enforce it. BUT if u have a performance sports car it's an eye catcher, u will get ticketed. if u drive say a honda civic, and of age LEO'S don't seem to care. see ya all later Greg!!!!
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^ Yep, "plate-cover" laws, even in areas which have them explicitly on-the-books, is enforced in a rather "discretionary" method, and is highly variable.

Typically, outside of some specific covers being countermeasures (of varying levels of effectiveness) against various traffic-enforcement methods, most are actually aesthetic accessories, and some even are gasket-sealed, to preserve the enclosed license plate, and are often a favorite of auto-enthusiasts in more "corrosive" environments.

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I remember reading that it was said Veil wasn't as effective directly on the plates, would that be correct in the case of metal plates as used in the U.S.A as well as perspex plates?
VEIL will still cut the IR-reflection from the "dressed" plate, but in applying it directly to the plate, some caution should be exercised:

First, you'll want to test to see if the paint (including the printed ink of any registration/ownership stickers that go on the plate) is stable/compatible with VEIL. We've had reports here, Stateside, of various state's used inks, either for the plate or for the stickers, being literally "washed off" by VEIL - both G2 and G4.

(2) That the VEIL coating of the plate is not only aesthetically acceptable for you, but also, will not present to your local enforcers a "huh, that's not right!" kind of moment, and cause you to either bear a citation, or otherwise be stopped for a "roadside interview."

In comparison to a naked plate, covering it with VEIL will definitely drastically reduce the item's IR-profile.

However, in comparison to dressing an overlying "plate cover" with VEIL, it is speculated that the direct-dressing application may not be quite as effective, as the overlying layer of VEIL on the raised plate-cover would not only give a "first pass effect" (i.e. be the first point of contact of an incoming LIDAR beam), but also would exert an effect during the "return" process, as the LIDAR's scattered beam, from having now passed through and contacted the plate, would then be "reflected" back to the police LIDAR device.

Unfortunately, I do not recall any actual data to cement this theory - perhaps VEIL Guy can be of assistance in digging this up?


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I'll try my best, although we have not conducted extensive measurements, so my input here should be taken with a little grain of salt as it is more imperical in nature.

We have observed the following "improvements" with Veil G4 over its predecessors (including G2). It appears that Veil G4's IR attenuating properties are noticeably better when directly applied to a number plate.

However, especially on light background plates, unless very lightly applied, the plate substantially darkens in appearance which may present an issue. Perhaps using a non-retro-reflective version (ie; duplicate) with a light coating would provide protection without meriting undue or unwarranted attention.

Veil G4 has made substantial gains against certain police lasers, such as LTI and Kustom models (we've always been extremely effective with Stalkers). Veil G4 appears to perform especially well versus the specialized police lasers that employ specific algorithms to defeat actives (such as stealth mode and pulse aggregation/variation).

We have been working on some additional complementary countermeasures that are expected to enhance the utility of Veil G4 in the real-world where active laser countermeasures (laser jammers) are specifically restricted.

It is our hope and expectation that these additional products will even further reduce the need for the use of actives in many additional circumstances. I am not in a position to provide a specific time-line, when such products will be deemed ready for prime-time...

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^ I'm all ears! New products from VEIL!!!


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Allen, don't get too excited, yet (yikes!), although I like moving fast (particularly behind the wheel) an old Jedi Master once showed me this truth: sometimes moving slow(ly) is moving quick(ly).

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