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Old 2008-01-26
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Default Un-constitutionality of Photo Enforcement

Here's another perfect example of the flaws of automated photo enforcement, at least, in its present incarnation.

Again it has happened to me and this time a faceless corporation [falsely] pointed the accusatory finger my direction.

Several weeks ago before attending CES 2008, I made a business trip to Florida flying one way to the east coast, renting a vehicle from Enterprise for one way rental to the [Florida's] west coast.

After about a week, I dropped the vehicle off at a local Enterprise office before their office closed at 6pm.

At that particular time, the computer systems of the east-coast Enterprise rental agency were down so they weren't able to immediately close out my rental agreement.

Having successfully dropped the vehicle off, I flew back home [from the west-coast].

Unfortunately, Enterprise did not immediately close out the rental agreement and later attempted to charge my credit card with more than $1600 in false charges.

To make matters even worse, some knuckle-head from the office apparently decided to drive the rental car locally and proceeded to drive the vehicle I had returned through a toll-booth approaching Cape Coral without paying their toll.

Of course the toll agency snapped the picture with a time stamp later that day, contacted the owner of the registration (in this case Enterprise) which then proceeded to point the finger of blame towards myself since their computer system had not properly closed out my rental agreement from earlier that day.

Lovely isn't it? Now I receive a threatening letter from Florida suggesting that my license may be subject to a 3-point moving violation and I wasn't even in the area or driving when this alleged infraction occurred.

Now I have to fight two battles at once—one with the state of Florida and one with the rental agency that named me as the "offending" driver.

Where's the due process in all this? How can a I face my accuser? The simple answer is there is none, and I can't.

I'll keep you guys posted on my progress, but this automated photo enforcement is a really bad idea and now twice in one year, I have fallen victim to false charges in connection with its use.

There have to be others who too have been victimized by this misguided application of technology!

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Wow that sucks!!
Good luck!!
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boomerman,

This is another perfect example of the current short-comings of automated photo enforcement, the subversion of our Constitutional rights.

Where's the disincentive in all this?

Getting a notice in the mail with a picture of a vehicle that couldn't even be seen (as it was dark)—only the rear plate was visible—weeks and weeks after the alleged infraction occurred.

Do you remember what you were doing four weeks ago in your vehicle one particular afternoon?

At my age, I am lucky if I remember what I did this morning, let alone four weeks ago.

How about false accusations from corporate entities which whom I have no control or say over and encouraging the society at large to "turn-in" their fellow citizens, or else.

Perhaps there is a place for automated photo enforcement in the high-tech society, but for goodness sake, not at the expense of our society's long-established legal protections of its individual citizens.

Threating my driving license with points was a bit over the top.

The violation is merely $2 for the original toll and doesn't even include a penalty fee.

$2 measly dollars versus 3 points on my license (for a violation that I did not commit).

Today it is $2, tomorrow, who knows what.

Now, I am willing to stipulate that a bonafide case may be made for an application of Photo Enforcement in certain circumstances, but certainly not in its current automated form.

You know what? I am going to fight the sucker on principle: because if I let it slide even for this small amount, I am, in effect, resigning my civil liberties and my sacred constitutional right to due process even for something "trivial" which leads me down a very slippery slope, indeed.

These injustices should not stand!

Here's a recent personal history lesson:
  1. Machine Bears False Witness Against Me
  2. Photo Enforcement
  3. Red Light Cameras

My vote is to not throw-out that arcane document, the U.S. Constitution, at least, not quite yet.

I can't help but hear the faint echo of Edmund Burke:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Oh, and here's another quip:
Let's not take the law enforcement officer out of law enforcement. Veil Guy: 29 Jan 08
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PS: In the meantime, at least we have freedoms (in most cases) to protect ourselves with alternative solutions (countermeasures) and an organization interested in fighting for and preserving our freedoms, the National Motorists Association. Are you a member, yet?

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Same thing happened to my son, flew out of Virginia to Arizona and got a rental, had his picture taken too with a fine, except one thing:
SUPPOSEDLY THE FINE IS AGAINST THE VEHICLE OWNER FROM WHAT I LAST READ, AND WOULDNT THAT BE THE RENTAL CAR AGENCY, FORGET ALL THAT, DO LIKE I DID, I BOUGHT A PLASTIC COVER THAT HAS BITS OF METALLIC IN IT, THROWS THE FLASH OFF, PHANTOMPLATE.COM
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