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When it comes to radar detector test performed by Guysoflidar.com and Speedzones.com, I just can't help but to be skeptical, especially when each tester has a different outcome regarding performance. I e-mailed someone from guysoflidar.com a year or so ago and asked them why two Escort models (I believe it was the 9500i and 9500ix), that are basically the same unit, had such different results in their test, and why the Valentine One is so much more superior than the rest of the models tested. He replied that he wasn't sure of the discrepancy between the Escort models and admitted they were basically the same unit. Additionally, he stated that in their testing they used some sort of styrofoam around the radar detectors to determine which had better performance (the V1 apparently was the victor in picking up weak signals). Also, this site states that the V1 is better than a Sti-R in several categories...I just can't believe this.

In regards to speedzones testing, I hate the fact they do not use older models (escort X50 for example). Therefore, I do not know how my X 50 stacks up against the 9500i and the newer versions of the Valentine. It seems to me that their past test wasn't very informative. All I got from the report is that the STi, Escort, and V1 did about the same in one test, but they did not seem to test the limits of each one.

My question is, how do you radar detector experts decipher this information and know what is good and what falls more on the biased side? I do tons and tons of research and I just don't know what to believe.

Lastly...I have an Escort X50 and I am wanting to upgrade. I care about sensitivity and that is it. I don't want GPS, I just want a detector (not remote) that is going to sniff out radar that other detectors can't. So basically I'm asking, V1 or Redline?
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I think some of the variations may be due to weather conditions (ie; humidity), terrain differences, model variances, and testing methodologies.

I take each test results as a snapshot in time and with a grain of salt.

Not to toot my own horn, but I prefer reviewing and testing in the manner I pioneered (which is now being imitated by some other "reviewers")...which is actually driving and living with detectors for an extended period of time in real encounters and in real terrains against all types/forms of police radar and laser.

Between the V1 and the Redline, that is a tough call. They are each splendid detectors in their own right, but approach their high sensitivities sufficiently different as to make them each unique in their own operating characteristics.

Perhaps learning where and how you drive and what you like (or not) about your existing X50, may help us narrow down your preference.

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Veil Guy, I appreciate your response. I have watched many of your videos on your blog and base a lot of my opinions of radar detectors from your on the road experiences. At some point in time I would like to get a remote radar system installed, but for now, I choose to stick with a windshield detector.

I like your method of testing detectors. I think this method is the most accurate in determining the sensitivity of the higher end models. Regarding my first post, that is why I question the reliability of the above mentioned detector tests.

What I am looking for in a detector...I want the detector that is going to give me the first alert, no matter how weak the signal. I prefer more falses if it means the detector will also be more sensitive in retreiving true radar waves. I picked the 8500 from Escort several years back based on the reviews from speedzones.com, which stated it was greater than or equal to the sensitivity of the V1. As a result, I purchased the X50 when it became available. However, I have failed to distinguish a distinct difference between it and the 8500.

I drive on I-40 between OKC and Little Rock. The primary threat is instant on KA. However, some of the highway patrol in AR use what seems to be a weak K band radar signal. For example, I encountered a highway patrolman using a weak signal K band radar, and I spotted his car WAY before my detector alerted me that he was running radar. At times I am really impressed with the X50, and other times I am very disappointed. My issue is that if I am going to spend 300$ plus on a detector, I want the best. If I have to spend 500$ then fine. If it is 400$ for the V1, so be it. I want the best detector possible for highway driving. I can live with the falses if it means I gain extra sensitivity.
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To be sure, I am not discounting those other review(ers), as they are just snapshots in time (over a one or two day period). Long-term experience "testing" tends to bear out nuances in behavior that those other venues simply don't or can't examine.

With respect to your decision--I have attempted on many occasions to point out that there is more to a detector than merely sensitivity (ie; long-range detection ability).

A primary one, is quickness to respond (ie; alert).

While the Redline is unquestionably somewhat more sensitive than the V1, it is also somewhat slower to alert (intentionally and by design) to brief radar signals (either from brief reflections or brief instant-on usage), particularly Ka-band. This is relative to the V1, which is considerably quicker to respond/alert to certain bands and sometimes a quicker detector will outperform (ie; out alert or provide more advanced warning time) a detector that arguably is more sensitive.

This is true for the V1 and certain higher-end models from Whistler. Both companies produce very quick to respond radar detectors, something that I really appreciate personally.

The upshot of the V1's quicker response times, is better/advanced notification to approaching IO threats. The downside, is a higher potential level of "falsing."

Escort (and Beltronics) take a slightly different approach. While they do, indeed, provide high (or very high) levels of sensitivity, they also strive to be quiet(er) either to other cheaply-built/poorly designed radar detectors (ie; early Cobras, etc.) or around town.

The Redline has certainly demonstrated to me improved laser sensitivity (relative to older STi Drivers), but the V1 is still the reigning champion.

Either model, will certainly provide years of protection.

In a way, I like to think of it as comparing a Rolls to a Bentley.

They're both that good.

BTW, here are some related blog postings on this very topic:

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I think I understand what you are saying about the quickness to alert and how that differs from sensitivity. I think what you are saying is that if a V1 and an Escort Redline were hit with radar at say, 1000 feet away, the V1 would probably alert a fraction faster than the Redline.

Basically what I am wanting to know is if you had to pick one windshield detector (meaning you couldn't use a windshield detector AND your STi-R), which one would it be? From watching your videos I know you do a lot of driving on highways and you probably have enough experience with each detector to know which one you would prefer over the other. And do you find one more consistent than the other?

I would certainly be willing to switch to Valentine despite owning Escort models the past seven years or so. I would really like to know what your choice would be between the two (I'm assuming the choice would be between the V1 and Redline). Personally, I'd like to see arrows on both detectors for what it's worth.
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