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Question Has LI gone belly up?

I have been reading on other forums and a LI website that LI is no longer in business. Can someone a little higher up in the food chain either positively confirm this, or positively deny this? One thing I do know is that on the LI forum a lot of people are all of a sudden selling their jammers. If they have gone out of business then does anyone know why?
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I don't know anything specifically ( I doubt it, though), but I have heard repeated claims over the years that some of these other companies may be patent infringing in the states.

Until such matters a cleared up, this site Admins have refrained from creating a forum here (for obvious reasons, least of which is trying to prevent/protect potential customers from being burned, as we have seen repeatedly in the past with certain fly-by-night operations).

Perhaps you are thinking of LPP? I have read some things online concerning their viability, whether this stuff is actually true or not, I am not sure.

Honest/unbiased information, particularly about some laser jammer companies seems particularly hard to come by online, IMO.

If one ever thought the radar detector industry was cut-throat or dog-eat-dog, the laser jammer industry is even much more so, I am afraid, which is why I stick with the majors (Beltronics/Escort/Cincinnati Microwave and, of course, Blinder).

These guys have been around a very long time and will be in the future, no doubt. All others that choose to not play by the rule-of-law (at least, in the U.S. market), I am not so sure.

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I have heard repeated claims over the years that some of these other companies may be patent infringing in the states.
Thank you for your reply STH I forgot all about the patent aspect. I'll bet that's what is going on.

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No, I thought they went out of business because of the TruSpeed fiasco? If you google "laser interceptor out of business" you will see some of the LI sites that are talking about them going out of business. I have not contacted the rep for the states but that is my next move to confirm this one way or the other.

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Honest/unbiased information, particularly about some laser jammer companies seems particularly hard to come by online, IMO.
Well that's why I'm here asking questions and not on some other radar sites This site seems to have less of an agenda than the other sites. There is way too much FUD and backstabbing in the countermeasures community and you often times can't tell the good guys from the bad. It is really sad as the countermeasures community is supposed to exist to help people, and not to rip them off.

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which is why I stick with the majors (Beltronics/Escort/Cincinnati Microwave and, of course, Blinder).
I agree, but unfortunately the ZR4 leaves a lot to be desired in the jamming department. Their radar detectors are spot on though, and probably the best on the market in IMO.
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Thanks for noticing, we are really trying to be different here and the fact that you can see this is very heartening to hear!

I have driven with both Blinder and ZR4 and I have yet to have them ever fail me in actual "combat," but mind you I obviously use Veil along with them, as I am firm believer of defense-in-depth countermeasure techniques regardless of the performance level of each countermeasure individually.

IMO, I feel the ZR4's have gotten a "bad-rap" online from some of the fixed testings that have been performed (often suggesting JTG is the only acceptable outcome of such tests). I disagree with such acid tests' "conclusions." In the real-world, where this stuff ultimately counts, fixed tripods and low-speed passes aren't typical and generally favor the countermeasures used (as a consequence). Furthermore, officers aren't typically expecting any difficulty and therefore tend to aim more casually (as the first shot is not specifically designed to defeat any countermeasure). In that time, I have found, that these countermeasures (including Veil) provide ample time to slow down safely. Is that to say that in every circumstance adequate performance will be afforded. Not necessarily, however, in all of my real-world encounters, I have had sufficient protection provided with my vehicle (large metallic silver BMW, which is far from optimal to protect against lidar).

I have even gotten tagged from the rear in Northen Kentucky, just south of Cincinnati and the ZR4 + Veil on my rear (no plate cover) protected me, which was a good thing as I was traveling more than a few miles over the posted limit, at the time.

I'll do some googling and some reading. Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks for noticing, we are really trying to be different here and the fact that you can see this is very heartening to hear!

I have driven with both Blinder and ZR4 and I have yet to have them ever fail me in actual "combat," but mind you I obviously use Veil along with them, as I am firm believer of defense-in-depth countermeasure techniques regardless of the performance level of each countermeasure individually.

IMO, I feel the ZR4's have gotten a "bad-rap" online from some of the fixed testings that have been performed (often suggesting JTG is the only acceptable outcome of such tests). I disagree with such acid tests' "conclusions." In the real-world, where this stuff ultimately counts, fixed tripods and low-speed passes aren't typical and generally favor the countermeasures used (as a consequence). Furthermore, officers aren't typically expecting any difficulty and therefore tend to aim more casually (as the first shot is not specifically designed to defeat any countermeasure). In that time, I have found, that these countermeasures (including Veil) provide ample time to slow down safely. Is that to say that in every circumstance adequate performance will be afforded. Not necessarily, however, in all of my real-world encounters, I have had sufficient protection provided with my vehicle (large metallic silver BMW, which is far from optimal to protect against lidar).

I have even got tagged from the rear in Northen Kentucky, just south of Cleveland and the ZR4 + Veil on my rear (no plate cover) protected me, which was a good thing as I was traveling more than a few miles over the posted limit, at the time.

I'll do some googling and some reading. Thanks for sharing.

STH
I agree with STH on this. I ultimately chose the Shifter ZR4 for its ability to integrate with my STi Driver. Up until recently I could not afford a jammer, so I had been running only VEIL G4 and a Veiled LaserShield on my front plate. Within a 3-4 week period (especially the week before Memorial Day) I had been painted with LIDAR 4 times doing approximately 15 MPH over the PSL (55 on I-290 in NY), and 4 times I escaped with no tickets. Each time I was painted I was the only one in his line of sight. VEIL by itself saved my arse big time, and I too am a firm believer of defense in depth: my HL's are Veiled, my grille is spraypainted flat black, I have a Veiled LaserShield on my front plate, and I spraypainted the AC condenser flat black as well...



Haven't had any encounters yet with police LIDAR against my completed system (ZR4), but I anticipate that I should fare quite well against the dominant guns used around my area - Ultralyte 100LR and the ProLaser III.


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LIDAR encounters: 38 (latest 2/5/2011)
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