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Allen,

One of my all-time favorite quotes:

The only thing new in this world is the history that we don't know.
Harry S. Truman
Smart man, that one.

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Thanks, Vic.

Even more so for me, I miss the kinship we used to all have for each other when times were (simpler). I sincerely hope we can (collectively) (re)build a fun, mutually respectful, and knowledgeable community under this one roof, at least, and without the drama. Enough of that in the MSM...

Your participation is so welcomed...thanks.

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You're likely doing your background research, before buying. I like people who do their homework
So do I, but it's just the opposite as I am doing my research before selling my LI Quad

I see having a jammer as an investment. Amongst my arsenal is a LI Quad. A LI quad is (unfortunately) a substantial investment and I need to protect it. I don't care how good a jammer is, if the company behind it ceases to exist, then it is just a matter of time before it is worthless. Worthless is not a good word to use when refering to investments If LI has, or is about to, go belly up, then I need to sell my quad now to protect that investment.

My gut feeling is that a year and a half from now the only jammer company will be Blinder. This is because they hold the patent(s) and while LI may still be sold in places like croatia, I don't live in croatia so it it's a mute point. I only realistically care about products that are legally sold in the states. Part of buying a good investment is looking ahead. For the most part I just don't feel comfortable with any of the other companies beside Blinder right now. Thank God they make a great product or I'd probably just forget about having a jammer altogether, and just use only Veil. I think Bel/Escort might be the only other company that will honor the patent(s). They may be the only other company that can afford to honor them. Time will tell. I feel that this next year will be the most important year in jammer history. So many different things are happening, or about to happen, that will forever change the landscape. It's exciting to witness

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Indeed, there was rumor to this, that there was trouble brewing for Laser Interceptor, but it was proven unfounded.
Proven? On the LI forum? How does that prove anything except that they still want to make money? Was there ever (anywhere) a written document that clearly stated that they were planning on honoring the patents and that Blinder has signed off on it also? That would be proof to me that they were still going to be around in another year or so. Short of that it's really only "confirmed hearsay" of what will happen to them next.

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While the current claims that LPP is "going out of business" does look scary, with the various Internet pages showing what appears to be official documentation of such a claim, word from trusted LPP sources indicate that it's nothing more than a business name-change for the parties involved.
These wouldn't be the same "LPP sources" that claimed that LPP was going to be coming out with a quick TruSpeed fix in a few months - over a year ago - would they?

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Used in an honest "enthusiast" manner, yes, the extra-steady presentation of the tripod can help target a vehicle's specific weak-points, including areas which present as extremes to the protective capabilities of the jammer unit. However, such steady aiming can also be exploited by the unethical - in targeting, specifically, areas close to the jammer head, even a relatively "weak" jammer can appear to protect well
But if all jammers are tested with the same criteria then the numbers will speak for themselves. Yes they can be exploited, anything can, but that's another topic
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Stealth Enthusiast,

Simply brilliant, brilliant, commentary...one for the books.

I have literally waited more than year (since the original inception of this forum) to hear such an articulated and well-thought out position on this extended subject matter.

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Thank you STH for the kind words They are very heart warming.

I think itís important for people, especially anyone looking to buy a new jammer, to start reading the writing on the wall and to start looking toward the future before they settle on this or that jammer.

Another way to look at this is to look at the auto industry. Who here, when you think about buying a car, thinks first about buying an Oldsmobile? Probably no one, because they no longer exist, and the company wouldnít give you a warranty worth anything even if you did buy one. In some cases you wouldnít even be able to find parts for one if they ever broke down. So buying an Oldsmobile right now wouldnít be the most prudent decision if you wanted to buy a car. Donít get me wrong, they were nice cars when they were around, but that was then, not now.

How does this apply to jammers? Well simple, one company owns the patents to producing jammers, so they (Blinder) could at any given notice (if they havenít already) snap their fingers and all of the other jammer companies would go buh-bye, not because Blinder necessarily wants them to, but because the legal system wants them to.

A patent does not give the patent holder the right to do whatever they wish, BUT IT DOES give them the right from excluding others from making, selling or even using products covered by their patent. When that happens IMO LPP, LI and all the other jammer companies that donít hold the patent will evaporate from the states faster than a snowball in the hot desert sun. I think itís fair to say that most people have at least $450.00 invested in their jammer, and thatís if they just have one jammer.

Ask yourself how much is that $450.00 or more investment going to be worth a year from now when no one wants to buy it from you - because the company doesnít exist any longer...

Ask yourself who is going to write the updates for the software when they need to be updated - if the company is no longer around...

Ask yourself who is going to honor that so-called ďwarrantyĒ - if the company is just a vacant warehouse...

Now look at the other side of the coin, put yourself in these other jammer company shoes for a moment. They have warehouses stocked to the brim that they need to sell to ďsomeoneĒ or they are going to lose a LOT of money. No one likes to lose money, especially a lot of it. These jammer companies that donít hold the patent are no different. They see the writing on the wall, and they full well know that without those patents that no one in their right mind will want to buy their product, so what do they do?

What would you do if you were in their position?

You use an old sleight of hand trick - and you get people to not focus on the big patent issue, but on other issues instead.

Their salesmen will go on forums just like this one and try to get people to look at how good their jammer is, and they may be a good jammer, but thatís beside the point right now if youíre going to be making an investment by buying a jammer. The big picture isnít what can this or that jammer do today, itís what can and will it do for you tomorrow. Plain and simple, IMO they canít promise you tomorrow unless they hold the patents. If they do try and promise you a bright tomorrow with their product, then thatís a big Ďol red flag for them shilling their product on you.

LPP is in an even worse predicament, as they now also have the bad reputation for not making updates even when the company was around. How can they afford to buy patent rights if they canít even afford to hire one single software tech to make a TruSpeed update? As an investor I donít like to see people waste their money. The future of jammers is clearly written on the wall. It has been there for many months now, drying in that hot desert sun. Hopefully people will make the right decision and buy a product that they know they can have some confidence in and will be around in the future, and if they donít make the right decision, well then they have only themselves to blame. I do hope that at least one other company buys the patent rights, hopefully Bel/Escort since they have been in this industry from the beginning, and they seem to respect the countermeasure community more than some of these other companies that have their shills bickering every day on other forums. If Blinder became a monopoly then that could hurt them, and accordingly, hurt the entire community, so I hope they play their cards right. Time will tell. I hope it works out in the best interest of the countermeasures community which we all love.
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