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TSi+WRX,

In fact, we have on more than one occassion been forced to do so with Steagall's past postings. Unfortunately Scott had demonstrated immature or poor judgement at times which we have been told repeatedly by leon is a constant source of frustration for him.

However, as far as we know he is a dealer of blinder and so I wouldn't regard Steagall as a "shill" in the sense of someone acting independent when in fact they are not.

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Steagall is very clearly and openly pro-Blinder and is very clearly trying to sell Blinder products, even though he repeatedly shoots himself in the foot with his impulsive ways (he's his own worst enemy) and he doesn't even realize it, either.

We have on more than one occasion tried to encourage Scott to "grow-up" for his own benefit (and others), but now believe that's going to take a long time. But, at the same time, he doesn't or hasn't, to my knowledge, actually posted in manner to thoroughly discredit any other manufacturer's product(s), so I don't regard him as being in the same vain as say the "goons" who obviously have (and may continue) to do such things in their participation in forums or on other websites and this is something that I regard as totally unacceptable and grounds for immediate banning.

I am a bit surprised to see that you have allowed this silly rabbit to get the better of you and respectfully request you reconsider your leaving our community as your past contributions have been valued certainly more than any one interested in only shameless self-promotion.


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Allen please do not leave. Your contribution to this forum is greatly appreciated and I for one enjoy reading your no nonsense posts.

STH....I understand that every member is needed/appreciated but when certain individuals start driving away other members isn't the sacrifice of one for many do greater justice for the community as a whole?


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I am surprised that we are at this point and I have been caught a bit off guard.

What do you guys recommend? I think it is clear who's participation I value more.

Would you guys be willing to provide a general warning before asserting a more Draconian action or do you guys collectively feel that we are past that point?

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STH,

I didn't ask him to leave, all I wanted was for TSi+WRX to stop bringing my name up in his conversations, thats all!! Especially if its negative and I'm not even a part of the conversation. Nothing immature about that. I don't think thats asking much. If he wants to leave thats his choice.

Yes I think he is a big help in this forum and to its members, but not everyone is going to get along with each other and thats just life. Now do I shoot myself in the foot sometimes?? "Yes" I have before many times. I'm not "Shill".. Yes I do get a bit carried away, but nobody's perfect. I feel as a member on this forum I have contributed alot since I have been here.

Yes I'am a dealer for Blinder, Yes I sell Blinder and radar detectors and other products etc. I feel though that anyone can come to me about certain countermeasures questions and I'm willing to help and answer their questions without any confrontations. Many members on this forum I think would agree with that statement. TSi+WRX is Pro LI and therefore he sometimes tends to push the LI product alot. Thats ok, the point I'm trying to make is sometimes there wil be disagreements on this forum between me and TSi+WRX.

I think that in the end, both of us in the past have come to some of the same conclusions on certain areas in countermeasures, and have agreed. I just want all the negativity to stop and focus more on answering questions for members that need help. Bashing each other does not get us anywhere.


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In fact, we have on more than one occassion been forced to do so with Steagall's past postings. Unfortunately Scott had demonstrated immature or poor judgement at times which we have been told repeatedly by leon is a constant source of frustration for him.

However, as far as we know he is a dealer of blinder and so I wouldn't regard Steagall as a "shill" in the sense of someone acting independent when in fact they are not.

Steagall is very clearly and openly pro-Blinder and is very clearly trying to sell Blinder products, even though he repeatedly shoots himself in the foot with his impulsive ways (he's his own worst enemy) and I doesn't realize it, either.

We have on more than one occasion tried to encourage Scott to "grow-up" for his own benefit (and others), but now believe that's going to take a long time.

I am a bit surprised to see that you have allowed this silly rabbit to get the better of you and respectfully request you reconsider your leaving our community as your past contributions have been valued certainly more than any one interested in only shameless self-promotion.

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Agreed. I don't regard you as a "shill," either.

For all of our sakes (especially yours), please be a bit more careful with your posts whether here or elsewhere.

I really don't want to be forced to ban you or anyone else for that matter.

Like Vic said, I wish we could all get along better and more harmoniously.

I think we have lost Allen for good, as he has chosen not to respond to any outreach.


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