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Grassroots Testing As the online community has evolved in its collective knowledge over the years, more and more independent grassroots efforts have developed as an offshoot from the original Guys of Lidar online enthusiast testing group. This is their story. The opinions expressed by these groups are solely their own and not necessarily representative of speedtraphunter.net.

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x2! I agree, its a great hobbie to have happya$$. I have learned alot from this industry. It sure has changed alot.

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It is amazing how this hobbie has changed since 2004. It is a thing of beautty watching hard core enthusiasts test for the love of the hobbie. I LOVE IT

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...And to that, Steve, I would add, I believe its quite possible that CrazyVolvoRob and company may have demonstrated that there is more to a complete defense arsenal than merely adding "power."

Physics play a role, light, reflectivity, refraction. Perhaps it's been a misconception all along (for many) that the answers is in solely in "upping" the power(-output) (as I have always believed was not the case).

It may sound good for a marketing slogan, but it simply may not bear out in the real-world.
I think one of the biggest pieces of the equation - one that some still have not yet learned, is that reception is critical.

Given that we can only cover so much of the vehicle's profile with any particular jammer setup (short of going all-out crazy, like RacerX ), there will be times - for whatever reason - when the incoming beam escapes the jammer's "view."

And that's when passive protection will most come into play.

But that's not to say that even in a head-on confrontation, the use of passive countermeasures is any less important.

We've all seen now how each vehicle's particular LIDAR profile greatly affects the overall outcome of any such confrontation.

With passive countermeasures, it's sometimes the only way to address these critical/focal concerns.

For me, personally, even if I had a bulletproof active defense, I'd still want to layer up on the passives.

As erickonphoenix, myself, and others have said, we start out "behind the 8 ball." All we have to do is get un-lucky, and we're out of the game. The cards are heavily, heavily, stacked in favor of The House - the enforcers.

Why not take any and every edge possible?


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Allen,

For the uninitiated (like myself), could you go into a synopsis (on this forum please, no links, if possible) as to what Racerx actually did?

I trust in your ability to clearly articulate that here without the need for "citation."

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^ It's hard to do things without references!

But for RacerX's setup, that's easy to search up, for anyone wishing to verify what I've said or will say below. It's nearly "infamous!"

To put it very clearly, and every easily, RacerX's setup simply incorporates so many active countermeasures as to have insured that *ever* square inch of both his frontal as well as rear profile is more than sufficiently covered, in terms of receptive capability.

Indeed, his truck did carry a substantial amount of passive countermeasures - and this is evident by the fact that in the 2007 GOL test as well as in subsequent independent hobbyist testing, his baseline reference numbers were so low - but the simple "ridiculousness" (in a good way!) of his setup truly has a lot to do with how many active defenses he was able to carry, in-part based on the fact that his vehicle (a previous-generation Toyota Tundra pickup) had so much available real-estate to serve as "ideal" mounting points.

Yes, there are others among us who fit into this category, too (happya$$, cVr, djrams80, alpinestars, myself, etc.), but RacerX's case is probably the most widely known, and is among the originals.

And here, it is worth pointing out, again, that even with all of his active countermeasures, RacerX's setup pays heavy attention to passive measures as well.

And just as importantly, and even more interestingly, look at the names of hobbyists that I cited two sentences up. Nearly all of us utilize passive measures, such as VEIL, too.


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I never said being a good steward of this particular online forum (community) would be easy, God knows.

But, Allen, I appreciate any attempt on your part.

I trust in your abilities to accurately relay and recount things to which I or others may not be aware of.

Please understand, I would prefer that we build our own little voice as opposed to always relying on others to do so (for us) because in doing so, this community may suffer (as a consequence), if you get my meaning.

To be clear, we all know that RD.NET is the 800lb gorilla. Many cross posters (like yourself), but I would prefer a bit of compartmentalization for OUR OWN COMMUNITY HEALTH's sake.

Thanks for understanding this and supporting this vision.

I trust it will get easier for all of us once some forum rule-sets or rule-set resets have evolved, in time.

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