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Grassroots Testing As the online community has evolved in its collective knowledge over the years, more and more independent grassroots efforts have developed as an offshoot from the original Guys of Lidar online enthusiast testing group. This is their story. The opinions expressed by these groups are solely their own and not necessarily representative of speedtraphunter.net.

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My car is soon going to be set up so that I'll be able to install/test any new jammer system in around 20 minutes time. Heads will plug directly under the hood/trunk. I'm just waiting for some parts to come in. Then I'll make the necessary molds and will be happy to test any system configuration that you want.

What I want to do is set-up and perfect a budget system for newbies. This way they'd be able to buy a 2 head system with some Veil and get good coverage front and rear. There is no reason why people should have to spend a lot of money just to get decent coverage.
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Thank you, sir.

I'll be anxiously awaiting the outcome of this little experiment.

I have already seen Veil + Blinder M2x outperform a Blinder M4x alone on a large SUV. I suspect the same thing would hold for any ALCM, such as a one head LI versus a two head LI.

By getting rid of the reflection of the headlights/foglights and possibly the number plate area any/all jammers will have a far easier time defeating the lidar/lasing system. It's common sense really.

But actually seeing it would be especially nice and I have been patiently/quietly waiting for someone with the verve enough to actually try it and see.

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I am confident that MANY if not ALL of those PT's that the LI and ZR3 suffered could have been eliminated or DRAMATICALLY reduced if passive counter measures like Veil were used


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^ +1.

I'm a firm believer in passive countermeasures. Why? simple - it makes sense, logically.

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Is there any particular reason for such slow speeds during the tests? Doesn't that give the gun a unfair advantage since it has twice as much time on the target?
^ That's the idea.

These enthusiast's tests tend to mimic what would be a true "worst-case scenario" setup.

Here in NE-Ohio, we actually not infrequently see enforcement on secondary streets, where the speed-limits are low (35 or even 25 MPH), and engagements do not start until well below 500 ft.


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Allen,

Yes I can certainly understand this as the time factors correlate.

500 foot encounters (while they certainly can and do happen at Interstate speeds) are more challenging for the enforcement officer vis-a-vis coming up against any countermeasure(s). At 85 feet (or more) per second closure rates it certainly leaves less time for their speed measuring devices to obtain accurate readings especially when cosine errors may rapidly develop (which as you already must know always favor the driver/targeted vehicle).

I believe Radar Roy and the Veil Guy already demonstrated this in Radar Roy's Veil G4 product announcement/demonstration video and Veil Guy interview.

Some initially mis-took this video to be an actual test. It was not, it was an announcement video. His test results were published at a different time.

Obviously if that run was conducted at a slower speed (say 25mph) there is a distinct possibility that the PT would have occurred somewhat farther away. However, it did effectively demonstrate the Veil as a countermeasure (and in fact any laser countermeasure) would tend to perform better at higher speeds simply because of the time factor it takes for the speed measurement device to actually function and perform it measurement. Also at higher speeds it may very likely be harder on the officer to get a fixed target of good return. Again Veil reduces or eliminates those targeting choices allowing any active countermeasure (ALCM) to perform its job more efficiently.

As TSi+WRX, states, it's simple logic.

STH

PS: Certainly CP also understood and expressed this fact when he first formally evaluated Veil G2, a good number of years ago. And believe me, he was very skeptical, initially, given that so many past claims of certain "passive" RADAR countermeasures (didn't repeatedly test out), but that's another story, altogether.


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