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Old 2008-06-28
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Default Well said :)

haymondsridgerunner,

I could not agree with you more. I believe craig peterson has lost all respect in the community. His test are very bias and when he decides which radar detector is going to be the #1 detector for 2008, I believe the old mighty $$$ plays a huge part!





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My, all those years of "experience", and you forget to explain in your review that you only mean world's best in a given $ category. Funny, the "World's Best" was only $299.99 retail, versus the V1 at $399.99 retail ( I guess the extra two pennies would put it in the over $400 category?). And adding all those accessories to the V1 to make it over $500 is priceless......really. I currently own 2 X50s and 1 plain 8500, and I don't use the "carrying case" they come in, and nobody I have ever seen use a Belscort product has either.

Like I stated before, I am not a V1 fanatic, I don't currently own one. I use Belscort products exclusively. Your bias is very obvious to me.

You remind me of a certain politician that likes to keep changing the goalposts while the game is being played.

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Happya$$,

He would never agree to it. To me buying both radar detectors off the self is fair and the best way to test your results.





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That is a FAIR and HONEST offer. Buy both PURE retail and watch the difference

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Another laughable "factor" in this whole conversation is how much "experience" Craig Peterson has. I routinely work with people with an inordinate amount of experience, it doesn't necessarily translate into the "authority" always touted by CP. Staying in one's profession for a long time doesn't necessarily mean you are the cream of the crop, it just means you stayed there a little longer.

I made the mistake of actually purchasing one of the "mega tests" off the site one day. Complete waste of my money, I could have made a more comprehensive report. And I'll never get that ten minutes of my life back either.

One other thing that so blatantly shows bias is the STi Driver being named world's best. I owned one and sold it because the AUDIO ramp up is a total joke. 2 different ramp ups, that's it. No solid tone, nothing. And lo and behold it's not even mentioned in the "experienced" "authoritie's" report.
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Default Valentine's X-band defeat is there

Next we repeated the circuit with the Escort 9500i set to Auto mode. I could have shut off X band, one of its several user preferences or set it to City NoX, which dials back sensitivity while also disabling X band. Either would have given the Escort a major advantage. But since the Valentine One has no similar user preferences, to be fair, both units were run in their factory-default settings.

In fact, the Valentine does have user-selectable X-band defeat in its advanced programming. It's the first option. When the Arrow is pointing up X-band is enabled. When the arrow is changed to the down position by holding down the volume/on push button in programming, X-band is disabled altogether.

The Valentine's also have the ability to reduce X-band detection (like city low-x) with its advanced Logic mode (big L) which significantly cuts down on frontal X-band detection.

While the "programming" is a bit more involved than either Beltronics, Escort, or Whistler, it is nonetheless available for users wishing to tweak/change the operating characteristics of the Valentine One and to tailor its behavior to the local conditions.

One other important distinction to make about "comparing" two different radar detectors from two different companies with two different default settings: the Valentine One comes with the ability to detect both K and Ka POP radar enabled by default. The Beltronics and Escort units come with POP detection ability disabled by factory default. Which, IMO, means comparing apples to oranges (at least in so far as K and Ka reception).

I have also noticed on the road that sometimes the Passport 9500i seems to "initially delay" its report of K-band in certain circumstances, initially alerting with a higher than 1-2 signal strength in its first report....Valentines don't tend to do that, which may mean that the 9500i (in an effort to keep quiet) is spending time evaluating the signal it sees before actually reporting it to the driver. Does this approach help maximize is quietness, for sure, but could it also "mute-out" a weak very-brief bonafide instant-on shots (of K-band) down the road? Perhaps time may bear that one out...

Given the quickness of the Valentine One (as opposed to sensitivity) relative to the 9500i, especially when POP reception is enabled by default, the potential to "falsing" is going to be higher than if both detectors were run similarly configured (with POP reception OFF). For those not in the know, that's the J-function disabled on the Valentine One in its advanced programming mode.

No doubt, though, the 9500i is a fascinating new-breed of radar detector.

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Hi Veil Guy:

Glad to hear you survived your last road trip.

Please send me a copy of the page in the V1 owner manual that describes its user-selectable band defeat feature. As soon as I fully understand the process, as described in the manual, Iíll include it in future reports.

Presumably it can be accomplished in 8-11 seconds on the fly, as can the BELs and Escorts, something I can do while driving briskly and without getting myself killed in the process.

Incidentally, while testing the V1 alongside the 9500i, I was driving through Scottsdale in a construction zone. The 9500i, in auto mode, warned of two 35.5 signals before we crested hills and met the oncoming SPD cruisers. The V1, in logic mode, waited for another 750 feet in each case, putting me well within radar range. It could have been trying to figure out if it was looking at a 33.8 MPH unit in POP mode, I guess. Regardless, the few hundred POP-capable units in service nationwide donít concern me greatly, since thereís none within 500 miles of here.

Thanks for the feedback.

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