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Escort Redline Raw Sensitivity versus Potentially "Higher" False Rates

I think it is going to be very interesting to see how the new Escort Redline is going to look to some [other] reviewers when historically the Valentine One (which also has possessed high sensitivity levels (and coupled with very quick response times) but accompanied higher "false" alerts as a consequence) has been historically hammered [by] some reviewers for its behavior.

If, as I expect, the new Escort Redline will be in the same vain as the venerable Valentine One (but with potentially even higher [radar] performance)m it will mean that the Escort Redline will most certainly be a very significant and exciting product (a departure, really) from Escort, however, I believe the Redline has the potential to create a sort of a conundrum for some of these [same] reviewers who have historically been critical of the Valentine One for the same type of performance (although to its credit, Escort has been very clear about its intended behavior and purpose).

I believe this is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out online, will there be moral clarity/consistency, or not?

If the Escort Reline, is praised for its high raw performance even while it comes with a higher level of potential "falsing" then what does it mean for all the historical reviews of the Valentine One which have historically criticized the V1 for possessing the same type (or similar) behavior to radar sources (from bonafide police radar and not)?

I, for one, have always appreciated what the Valentine One is/has been and its design approach philosophically and I welcome Escort's decision to offer a windshield-mount radar detector possessing potentially the same philosophical design elements while being entirely consistent on this matter.

Here's are just two examples of the inconsistencies that have existed with some other reviews.

For a long-time, the Valentine One was the most expensive windshield-mount radar detector (although its price point has stayed unchanged at $399). Reviewers have always hammered the V1 on its high price...that was until Escort and Beltronics started introducing products that were priced even higher. Do you recall reading any reviews about those products being excessively priced? I don't recall seeing them.

Remember the review calling the V1 the "chicken-little" of radar detectors and the subsequent references to that review from Automobile Magazine? Are you catching my drift?

Having journalistic integrity is more important to me than winning any popularity contest from my readers or from the manufacturers that I review.

If, indeed, the Escort Redline may finally put to rest a long-raging (longest and most passionate?) debate in our very small industry (although laser detection performance will very likely remain a decided win in Valentine's favor) with both the manufacturers and their [very] passionate group of consumers (that is of course until VR responds with something new, itself), it will still not detract from what I believe has been one of the most purely designed piece of consumer electronics for nearly two decades.

Stay tuned...

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Remember the review calling the V1 the "chicken-little" of radar detectors
And rightly so!

As far as the Redline goes, I do NOT believe that it will false as much as the v1 does. Escort has the added advantage of tweaking their system against the v1, something that valentine couldn't do - yet. While the Redline will probably false more than their other detectors, I do not think it will be as bad as the v1, which is a step in the right direction for the Redline. The Redline is also stealth, something that valentine couldn't figure out how to do. I will not be buying a Redline simply because they don't offer a blue display, but if Escort has cranked up the selectivity as well as the sensitivity, then this will be the detector to beat. Time will tell, but presently I think Escort has the upper hand in these design wars.
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Perhaps around town and, if I recall, some of the "twitchy" nature of the V1, at the time, has long-been excised as it has evolved.

Although I haven't encountered this myself, I have read of reports of the Passport 9500ix locking becoming deaf to real-bonafide police radar. OUCH! Talk about being "untrustworthy" that one potentially really hurts. Like the Valentine's twitchy days, I trust Escort engineers will ultimately find the right balance (ie; tweaks) to an obviously complicated design.

Truth be told, I don't necessarily fault either model for their respective behaviors (as they evolve). That's what evolution is all about, improvement over the span of time. For that I am decidedly for.

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The Redline is also stealth, something that valentine couldn't figure out how to do.


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