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^ +1.

It's tough to make general conclusions based on the Shark's specific experience.

The reason his detector was not going off, was the officer probably wasn't even actually using it at that instant.

For individuals new to radar detectors, you must be aware that just because you see a cruiser, doesn't mean that he/she is actually using (or actually has) [radar] at the moment.

My suggestion would be to get more seat time with it. Learn its personality. Escort has gone to great lengths in attempting to balance two very potentially conflicting ideals (extreme sensitivity coupled with extreme selectivity).

It's probably very much like what manufacturers of all-season high performance tires have to do...

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ST Hunter & Veil both make very good points. Here is something else I was wondering. Hunter mentioned leaving POP mode off and the default mode setting of the 9500ix is POP mode OFF. What disadvantage is there to having it on? As I am new to all of this, it would seem like a good idea to me to have all of the detectors capabilities activated so that you intercept all possible threats. School me, I'm thirsty for knowledge!

Oh and also, The default settings had KU Band turned off also. Is there a reason for this?

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I can't speak for every manufacturer and every product, however using Whistler as an example, Mike and his engineering team have designed their Rev C and Rev C+ detectors (Pro 78, XTR-690, XTR-695, Pro 78SE, XTR-695SE, XTR-690SE) to actually provide higher levels reception performance to (conventional) instant-on and constant-on Ka radar when POP reception is turned OFF.

Perhaps it all comes down to reducing processing time and/or multitasking overhead. Current radar detectors have to do a lot and a lot well at the "same time" to be effective in the real-world.

They have to scan multiple frequencies in very short order, often listening for the weakest and briefest signals.

Since POP-mode is not an IACP approved method of radar enforcement, tickets can't be issued with it legally and any officer using POP would eventually have to use conventional instant-on radar to attempt to acquire your speed anyway. Meaning that if he/she is radaring for ticketing purposes traffic, your detector will go off anyway.

With respect to other brands, it been my experience with the Valentine One, that turning POP off, their detectors, I believe, get a bit quieter and false less to spurious LO leakage from cheap detectors. Steve (Happya$$) swears his pre-POP V1 outperforms any post-POP V1 he has owned.

At the very least, I believe Beltronics and Escort models also become quieter, although I have not specifically tested or reviewed the performance difference between them in either POP ON or POP OFF modes. Perhaps Steve can provide some insight into this because the GoL may have looked at this aspect at some time in the past.

Besides, police laser is what police use today to acquire speeds in either high density roadways or in a manner that is hard(er) to detect, than conventional K or Ka police radar.

Perhaps Mike can add his .02 here.

I hope this helps clears it up a bit. Remember, I am more of a "laser" guy than a "radar" guy (in so far as the how's and why's of the inner workings of such things).

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Veil, your answer makes total since to me, thanks. Speaking of Lasers, my 9500 warned me a couple times about it while I was out cruising the other night. So my questions is, with lasers being much more specific than radar, does a laser warning emitted from my RD mead that I specifically am being traced with a laser, or does it just mean that a laser is being used some where in the area?

The laser warnings came suddenly and I thought I was toast. Nothing came of them, but I had no idea where the cop could have been hiding.
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Dark Shark,

I also ran your question by Mike and he may chime in here, soon, with a further explanation, as well as Steve (to get a GoL perspective).

Generally yes when your detector alerts to laser you are being hit with it.

One radar detector has shown me the ability to alert in advance to police laser, that is to say when another vehicle ahead or beside you is being targeted, and that is the Valentine One. The level of performance Mr. Valentine's engineering team has achieved with laser on the V1 is mind-blowing, especially when you consider that the V1 has been capable of exhibiting these extreme level of performance for more years than I can remember.

However, there is another possibility in your case. Something that I encounter on a regular basis and that is lidar/laser "falsing" from vehicles that employ lidar-based adaptive cruise control and/or lane departure systems, collectively referred to as accident avoidance systems.

Next time it happens, try to observe your surroundings and see if you are closely approaching or passing another vehicle. You may find that certain higher-line models of vehicles tend to cause your detector to alert.

Whistler has already addressed these potential sources of false laser alerts with their advanced LSID filtering mechanisms. I trust the other manufacturers are working on something similar, because I sure know the sick feeling you get when it happens and the potential of creating a potentially hazardous driving situation.

This may have been what you experienced.

Then again, it could have been a well hidden-cruiser.

Do you remember if you were passing any vehicle(s) at the time? What models they were?

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With respect to KU-band.

A carefully crafted media circus was apparently created about the notion that Ku-band (an outmoded band that was once found on certain radar guns in certain former-Eastern-Bloc countries, like Poland, I believe) perhaps by a company that was more concerned about increasing marketing fluff than increasing actual reception performance to the radar bands that actually count.

Unfortunately the fallout of that was that the top-flight radar detector manufacturers were "compelled" to "keep up" with the "fanfare" created over this PR stunt, at great expense, I might add.

That's why certain top manufacturers have the capability to detect Ku-band. Bottom line: Ku-band is not coming here (and probably never was).

Therefore, I recommend leaving Ku-band detection OFF. It's one less pointless-chore for your radar detector to do.

BTW, if you would like to read the "back-story," you can learn more about Ku band.

I know it is from a source, that many of you may question, but I believe it to be authoritative, nonetheless.

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