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TSi+WRX,

I honestly don't understand where this charge of 'bias' comes from.

Observations? Certainly. Opinions. Most definitely. Even Preferences? Why not? But Bias?

Perhaps you can "enlighten" me as to my 'bias'?

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LED technology has been proven over the years to be more reliable than Diodes. LED stands for light emitting diode. The escort ZR4, Laser Mask and Blinder carry this technology. Diodes require more power to operate versus LED's and operate at hotter temperatures. The only Diode jammer that proved to be very reliable was the old Lidetek LE-10. Blinder has units that still jam todays laser guns that are over 9 years old. You will see on RD.net people talking about the Laser interceptor heads burning out or having constant problems with them. This brings me back to the point that no jammer is perfect, and every jammer has its problems. Over the last 6-8 years blinder has been proven in reliability and performance. My friend has a laser interceptor and has sent the unit into cliff more than once for issues. He now has a blinder and has had no problems with it at all. The escort is another jammer that is very reliable. So if your looking for reliability and good performance go with the Blinder. Both the escort and Blinder units will serve you well over the long haul. Also I mean't to mention that the blinder M25 and M45 has been tested at ranges over 2500 feet down to the actual laser gun and sucessfully JTG. We have test footage of shooting on a overpass at cars equipped with Blinder M25's jamming a Pro laser III and Stalker LZ from start to finish. This test was done in athens Ga. You will see it under atlanta testers on RD.net. Thats my .02 cents on jammer technology and performance.
Steagall you really need to learn when enough is enough...Not everyone shares your views and no matter how hard you try to convince people it wont always work...This is a open forum and you need to realize that and not bash people for speaking there minds...I see people on both forums leading people back and forth..You know me and I am a Blinder-Guy all the way but I will have to say your tactics on convincing people are a little harsh...Back and forth bashing in a forum only makes you look like a idiote...Take this advise from a friend and chill out!!!


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^ Ah, I was afraid that you'd misunderstand - please give that section of my post another read, and I hope I can clarify below:

In response to steagall accusing me of bias ->

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And The VEIL Guy has no biases, himself? Did you not suggest as much, on the "Perfect Radar Detector" thread?

^ We all have our biases. Myself included. But as with The VEIL Guy, I don't try to hide the reasons why I am biased - and as with such individuals, I also base such biases on factual data and logical reasoning.

We are all human, we all have our own biases. But such biases can be based on irrationalities - just as well as they can be based in logic.
To me, bias is not a bad thing - "bias" is something that we all have, it is our personal preferences.

To examine your "ultimate radar detectors" posting, which I'd referenced:

The Ultimate Radar Detector

I'm, myself, biased towards the 9500i over the V1 simply because in my life, I require and prefer a detector that is more selective in its alerting - with heavier filtering. It's necessary for my passengers. It's necessary for my everyday routes-of-travel. This is the reason why, despite the compromises to ultimate sensitivity and total situational awareness (which, as a guy who runs about $2000's worth of ancillary gauges in the car [discounting the occasional datalogging, as well as any type of speed-detections countermeasures or ICE devices], I think you can imagine my need to know what's going on, at all times, when I drive), I've been a Bel/Escort user for well over a decade, and counting.

As with your considerations for why you thought what you did, our personal biases did present, in such a theoretical dissection and mental exercise.

Perhaps the negative tone of my overall response post to steagall rubbed-off the wrong way. For that, I apologize. I tried to clarify my intent, with a follow-up edit that took place only moments after my initial post, but I fear, by your reaction above, that it had not been enough, and for that, I truly am sorry, as it was not my intent to either cause you confusion/anguish, nor to insinuate that something more sinister is afoot.

To me, bias is just a word that reflects the fact that, as humans, with our individual and unique preferences, we will, invariably, prefer one item over another for whatever personal reasons we have.

That is just a fact of being human.

What I was trying to stress above, in my reply to steagall's accusations, is simply that I am not biased in my presentation of the jammers in-question, that I am merely presenting all the facts as they stand.

Nowhere did I let my personal preferences nor needs come into play. I was, in the specific context of the discussion of jammers, being unbiased.

My personal biases - my preferences, if we are to use other words - for a jammer or jammers would be revealed if the OP had asked that question, specifically, of me.

Then I would reply with why I choose to use what I do, and what compromises I had to make, in doing so.

People - including myself, on RD.net - have asked this of you, and you've stated your reasoning for wanting to stay with the LED-based jammers, and moreso, specifically, with the Escort product. Your considerations and arguments for the device, per your preferences, is most convincing, and indeed, I can well see why you prefer what you do, given your needs. To me, that's personal bias - you like "X" product because it can provide with "Y."

And yes, I have my biases, too, and I've shared this with many, on RD.net, RR.net, the LPP Forums and LI Forums, and even many of the automotive-enthusiast Forums which I contribute my thoughts to.

That, to me, is bias, and we all have it. It is unavoidable, when there is a need to select one product, over another.

But in terms of this thread, in terms of the discussion of these jamming devices, I have not allowed my biases to enter into the equation.

I have only discussed facts.

Perhaps I should have replied to steagall, using different words to describe your "preferences." But that would have introduced a new set of complications to the discussion.

Again, my apologies for inaccurate and imprecise language and what is, undeniably, in-retrospect, rather bad word-selection.


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Hum......

Even more in-retrospect, perhaps, indeed, I should've changed the wording to "preference."

It seems that more than half of the various dictionaries note a distinctly negative connotation to the word "bias," for more than half of their respective entries on that word.

And heck, I thought I went to college! I blame my ESL!

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SCGT -

To bring us back on-topic:

If you would like to know my personal, er....preferences, ask away. I am more than willing to share such.

And as with the times I've shared my preferences, either publicly or via private messages/private e-mail, be forewarned that you're going to hear the good as well as the bad of whatever it is that you ask.

What I say here, you'll find that I will say (or have said), the same, elsewhere.

And as always, I won't pull any punches.


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TSi+WRX,

I did not mean to come accross as harsh TSi+WRX, I just feel that sometimes you push the LI as being such a great jammer when I have had people who have personally called me, who owned one and have explained the problems they have had. I'm sure Cliff gives great customer service for his product, but just from reading on the forums about problems with the LI, I just felt you were pushing the LI product as being the superior jammer. Yes it does jam well, but again this is just my opinion, its not a top performer due to its reliability issues. Thats all I'm trying to say. If I offended you I do apologize and also to the Veil guy. You and I just see differently on certain things. In the end its really about the consumer and their needs. So I agree that we should stop fighting with each other. My apologies



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^ Ah, I was afraid that you'd misunderstand - please give that section of my post another read, and I hope I can clarify below:

In response to steagall accusing me of bias ->



To me, bias is not a bad thing - "bias" is something that we all have, it is our personal preferences.

To examine your "ultimate radar detectors" posting, which I'd referenced:

The Ultimate Radar Detector

I'm, myself, biased towards the 9500i over the V1 simply because in my life, I require and prefer a detector that is more selective in its alerting - with heavier filtering. It's necessary for my passengers. It's necessary for my everyday routes-of-travel. This is the reason why, despite the compromises to ultimate sensitivity and total situational awareness (which, as a guy who runs about $2000's worth of ancillary gauges in the car [discounting the occasional datalogging, as well as any type of speed-detections countermeasures or ICE devices], I think you can imagine my need to know what's going on, at all times, when I drive), I've been a Bel/Escort user for well over a decade, and counting.

As with your considerations for why you thought what you did, our personal biases did present, in such a theoretical dissection and mental exercise.

Perhaps the negative tone of my overall response post to steagall rubbed-off the wrong way. For that, I apologize. I tried to clarify my intent, with a follow-up edit that took place only moments after my initial post, but I fear, by your reaction above, that it had not been enough, and for that, I truly am sorry, as it was not my intent to either cause you confusion/anguish, nor to insinuate that something more sinister is afoot.

To me, bias is just a word that reflects the fact that, as humans, with our individual and unique preferences, we will, invariably, prefer one item over another for whatever personal reasons we have.

That is just a fact of being human.

What I was trying to stress above, in my reply to steagall's accusations, is simply that I am not biased in my presentation of the jammers in-question, that I am merely presenting all the facts as they stand.

Nowhere did I let my personal preferences nor needs come into play. I was, in the specific context of the discussion of jammers, being unbiased.

My personal biases - my preferences, if we are to use other words - for a jammer or jammers would be revealed if the OP had asked that question, specifically, of me.

Then I would reply with why I choose to use what I do, and what compromises I had to make, in doing so.

People - including myself, on RD.net - have asked this of you, and you've stated your reasoning for wanting to stay with the LED-based jammers, and moreso, specifically, with the Escort product. Your considerations and arguments for the device, per your preferences, is most convincing, and indeed, I can well see why you prefer what you do, given your needs. To me, that's personal bias - you like "X" product because it can provide with "Y."

And yes, I have my biases, too, and I've shared this with many, on RD.net, RR.net, the LPP Forums and LI Forums, and even many of the automotive-enthusiast Forums which I contribute my thoughts to.

That, to me, is bias, and we all have it. It is unavoidable, when there is a need to select one product, over another.

But in terms of this thread, in terms of the discussion of these jamming devices, I have not allowed my biases to enter into the equation.

I have only discussed facts.

Perhaps I should have replied to steagall, using different words to describe your "preferences." But that would have introduced a new set of complications to the discussion.

Again, my apologies for inaccurate and imprecise language and what is, undeniably, in-retrospect, rather bad word-selection. ops:

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