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Originally Posted by SCGT  Not sure what the 'veil' is you speak of. |
VEIL - better known as "Laser VEIL" - is an IR-attenuating semi-transparent "paint," used to, primarily, "dress" the vehicle's forward lighting elements, in an attempt to specifically decrease IR reflectivity, while allowing for sufficient light to pass through so as to maintain night-time and inclement-weather visibility.
It's currently in the fourth generation of development, and is also often called "VEIL G4" or just "G4."
REF:
Veil G4 Sneak Peek (PICs)
- and its commercial/retail site:
Avoid Speeding Tickets with VEIL for Radar Detectors, Laser Detectors, Laser Jammers
VEIL G4 is also available via both BuyRadarDetectors and RadarBusters.
As with any countermeasure, there's pros and cons to VEIL. If you would like to further this side of the discussion, please let me know, and I will expand.
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Looks like the Laser Interceptor does a good job and is reccomended, but I can't find any info or links to buy anywhere?
Looks like is it pretty good against all incl. Stalker.
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Currently, the statement "the LI is King" is not up for debate. It is what it is, and it can well prove itself to justify the price.
However, it definitely is not the only valid player.
The 5-suffix (M25, M35, and M45), J16 revision Blinders are also excellent units, and, particularly with the help of VEIL, can be very, very effective - i.e. in the vast majority of real-world situations, where JTG is not a true measure of an item's performance, the Blinder/VEIL combo can provide performance that is proven to be ticket-saving, and will be just as effective as the LI.
And the Blinder would carry, undeniably, a more
established (
"better" than the LI? not necessarily, but definitely, it cannot be denied that Blinder has been around for nearly a decade, and is a much more *established* name) customer-service/warranty network.
Similarly, the Blinder (even if you added-in the cost of VEIL G4 - note that many reputable Blinder resellers, such as
mhardy2288, at
http://www.countermeasuresdirect.com/ , offers significant discount-packages when bundling together VEIL and Blinder) is also worthy of consideration, based on its price-for-performance ratio.
But if your local area uses unfavorable/more-extreme engagement tactics and/or enforcement hardware which presents more of a challenge to the Blinder, the LI may become, by default, your one and only choice.
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Note that, at the same time, on a vehicle like yours, the Escort ZR4/VEIL G4 combo is also a proven "real-world" performer (look at djrams80's results on his late-model Mustang, as-documented on RD.net, as well as the VEIL G4/Escort ZR4 combo's performance in the "informal mini-test/'Extras'" section of the latest GOL
Laser Jammer Test session). Where above, I've written the word "Blinder," you could effectively substitute the word "Escort ZR4," and achieve the same results. ]
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In terms of your proposed Escort 9500ci/LI setup, again, I would encourage you to look at
djrams80's setup on his late-model Mustang, and to simply carbon-copy it.
His setup is proven to work, and proven, furthermore, to not "crosstalk" - to not provide negative/destructive-interference via the two "co-aimed" jammers' reception or output, and thereby cause performance-degrading early punch-throughs. [
With the Bel STi-R, since it does not currently include a laser-jammer module (the ZR4 is an ancillary add-on, and is not integrated into the STi-R), such issues of crosstalk between its laser jammer heads (non-existent) and the LI are thus not a worry. ]
To answer your other specific questions, no, you would NOT want to mount the heads of either the 9500ci's laser jammers (which are actually the ZR4's) or the LI's heads - OR THAT OF
ANY OTHER LASER JAMMER - "behind" any type of mesh/grill. Doing so will definitely affect the unit's jamming as well as receptive performance, and the end result can be anywhere from just slightly decreased performance to SERIOUSLY DETRIMENTAL performance.
Again, look at
djrams80's setup, and you'll see exactly what I mean.
Additionally, while you could mount the 9500ci's RADAR antenna behind either the mesh grill or even the bumper's composite "skin" (but NOT behind the actual metal bumper beam), best-performance will still come from an unobstructed mounting. Again, refer to
djrams80's pictoral and video documentation of his installs.
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And this leads us well back into my first reply post to you above - regarding "crosstalk," and why I recommend that beginners stick with only one discrete jamming solution.
Currently, it is believed that "crosstalk" happens when one jammer, let's say jammer X, "sees" the outgoing jamming output of an adjacent jammer - jammer Y, and then cues its (jammer X's) jamming output not to the incoming LIDAR threat, but to the outgoing emissions of the adjacent jammer.
This has been seen, in more than one case, to negatively impact jamming performance - causing consistently inconsistent early punchthroughs, where none should exist (as based on the jamming capability of the "stronger" of the two devices).
We've seen both "benchtop" demonstration of such crosstalk (Blinder M20 with AntiLaser G8, by
RacerX, Escort ZR3 and LPP, by
ronin/aka
ronins_ride) as well as have real-world data (Blinder M20 with Laser Interceptor, by
interceptor.tw) as well as documentation (Escort ZR3 with Laser Interceptor, by
ohauyahoo).
Some of such data simply shows that such cross-talk is possible - i.e. the intent of the demonstration was to simply show such cross-cueing of the adjacent devices exist and is real - other data shows an actual negative impact on jamming performance.
Thus, without being able to test your specifically proposed dual-jammer setup, quantitatively, I would strongly advise AGAINST such combined use.
Furthermore, I would, at this current point-in-time, advise, specifically, against either of the following combos, for the reasons listed below:
(1) Blinder, with any other jammer - due to the unique physical construction of the Blinder jammer heads, with the entire forward half being IR-transparent, there is a lot more "light scatter" to the adjacent areas than is seen with most other jammer heads. This makes it much easier for an adjacent jammer head to cue-in on the outgoing jamming emissions from the nearby Blinder head.
(2) Escort ZR
3 (note that this is SPECIFIC for the now-defunct ZR
3, not the newer ZR
4 which replaces it) plus Laser Interceptor combo - due specifically to
ohauyahoo's observations (although at the current time, it is unclear as to why he has been the only one to see such issues with this combination, I do believe that it, nevertheless, demands due-caution). I would only utilize the ZR3 in "Receive-Only" mode, if the two are used in-conjunction.
- PS:
SCGT, do I know you from LegacyGT.com ?
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