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Default Two Saves in Two Days: Laser Shifter ZR4 + VEIL G4

I had a couple of more real-world experiences which further re-enforce my belief that the Laser Shifter ZR4 and Veil G4 pairing makes for a very effective combination.

The first encounter was on I-70W towards Frederick, MD. I was cruising in the center lane of a three-lane highway down a slight incline when I was lit up with laser. At the time it was traveling nearly 30 over the posted limit.

He had me dead to rights...but he didn't. I managed to safely back off without incident. I couldn't locate the source, until nearly a half-minute later. A state trooper was sitting in the median, using an LTI Ultralyte from nearly 2000 feet.

The next encounter was at a much much closer range, perhaps only 250-300 feet initially, as I made my approach on Northbound I-95 to the MD/DE state-line toolbooth. The posted approach limit is only 35pmh even though it is a two-lane dual carriageway Interstate. Again, my goose would have been cooked (~30 over), but it wasn't. The Delaware state trooper was sporting a Kustom Pro III through his passenger-side door with the window down.

In both instances, I escaped without incident. While other laser jammers may appear to perform better in certain controlled-tests, in the real-world, where performance really counts, I have yet to be let down with the effective combination of Veil G4 and the Laser Shifter ZR4 on my large metallic-silver BMW.

For the record, my previous Blinder M20 and Veil G2 served my interests faithfully and reliably, as well.

It appears that laser usage is up in both of these states.

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Veil Guy,

The escort ZR4 is a great laser jammer. This is the kind of stuff we need to have more of on this forum. Real world experiences. It doesn't matter which jammer you choose. As long as they give you enough time to slow down, thats all that matters. Good Stuff, thanks for sharing your experiences.








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I had a couple of more real-world experiences which further re-enforce my belief that the Laser Shifter ZR4 and Veil G4 pairing makes for a very effective combination.

The first encounter was on I-70W towards Frederick, MD. I was cruising in the center lane of a three-lane highway down a slight incline when I was lit up with laser. At the time it was traveling nearly 30 over the posted limit.

He had me dead to rights...but he didn't. I managed to safely back off without incident. I couldn't locate the source, until nearly a half-minute later. A state trooper was sitting in the median, using an LTI Ultralyte from nearly 2000 feet.

The next encounter was at a much much closer range, perhaps only 250-300 feet initially, as I made my approach on Northbound I-95 to the MD/DE state-line toolbooth. The posted approach limit is only 35pmh even though it is a two-lane dual carriageway Interstate. Again, my goose would have been cooked (~30 over), but it wasn't. The Delaware state trooper was sporting a Kustom Pro III through his passenger-side door with the window down.

In both instances, I escaped without incident. While other laser jammers may appear to perform better in certain controlled-tests, in the real-world, where performance really counts, I have yet to be let down with the effective combination of Veil G4 and the Laser Shifter ZR4 on my large metallic-silver BMW.

For the record, my previous Blinder M20 and Veil G2 served my interests faithfully and reliably, as well.

It appears that laser usage is up in both of these states.

STH

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Scott,

Believe me, the pleasure is mine.

Delaware was really out in force this morning with laser enforcement on I-95.

Within two miles of being tagged as I came into the state, another state trooper was lasering northbound traffic from the extreme right from a SUV.

I am a little jealous of Steve (Happya$$) as he sees this kind of action practically every commute in the great state of Ohio. I have to drive out of state to experience it!

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For a first post this isn't ideal but I want to report it. My ZR4 rear laser jammer failed on me yesterday. The warning on my display triggered that the rear jammer went into shifting mode but the officer was still able to get a reading off me, 25mph over. I don't know what type of laser gun he was using but it appeared to be some kind of moving LIDAR, and actually equipment that was being used inside his patrol car.

Also, the laser hit me from quite a long distance back. I figured from a long distance the laser would be easily jammed but that dosen't appear to be the case. Anybody have experience in these kind of rear encounters? Is the laser so precise that if it hits the car in a spot other than the rear license plate where the jammer is mounted, that the jammer can't pick it up?

Take care with rear jamming, seems to be a huge vulnerability. (I didn't have laser VEIL)
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triplem,

Welcome to the forum and I am sorry to hear about your experience.

Jamming from the rear is most difficult because of the large amount of perpendicular reflections (from the trunk/boot), the large reflectorized tail lights, the retro-reflective license plate, and the CHMSL. This is a real challenge for any laser jammer, alone.

It's been my experience that the (particularly for the rear) using a combination of active and passive countermeasures working in synergy are the best defense against a rear shot.

While I can't assure you that you can completely eliminate rear targeting punch throughs, I do believe the following products used together would minimize such repeat performances:
  • Rear Laser Shifting Head (of your ZR4/9500ci)
  • Veil (lightly) coated Photo Blur or Laser Shield
  • Veil on the tail lamps
  • Veil on the CHMSL
By eliminating reflection of the laser/lidar from all of these areas, your rear laser jammer head will have a much easier time with rear shots.

Remember being farther away from the laser source (with active laser jammers only) doesn't mean it's easier for the jammer to jam.

In fact, we have long observed what I like to call "long-distance" punch through. This can happen when either the power and/or the beam divergence of the laser jammer head is not sufficient to successfully deliver an interference/destructive pulse train to effectively jam the police laser.

Also when you get farther from the laser gun, the beam divergence of the police laser/lidar increases to the point the areas far away from the jammer head (located by the rear number plate) can still be "seen" and measured by the laser gun.

Often times jamming will occur successfully at certain distances and not as well at others.

By combining all of these countermeasures together, leads to what I call, defense-in-depth, and will most certainly maximize your success rates in the future.

The nice thing about the Photo Blur is that when combined with Veil, you will not only get great protection from laser, but also from rear-photo enforcement like red light cameras as well as IR-based photo enforcement systems including ALPRS (license plate scanning systems).

What's really terrific is that this extra protection only costs a nominal amount relative to your active laser jamming system.

Danny from BRD has a great promotional rate on these combined products and is well worth the investment.

Laser Veil / Photo Blur Combo

I have had personal success with this kind of setup on my large metallic silver sedan on more than one occasion against rear lidar shots.

I am going to be looking forward to a future post of yours where you found these systems together made the difference.

Keep me posted, please!

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