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Default Please help me with suggestions or ideas...

I have a 8500 X50 combined with the ZR3 however the more and more I read about it (ZR3) the more worried I have become. I wanted to buy the 9500i but the X50 seems to outperform it in most of the tests I have seen. There still aren't any tests on the production 9500ci (the 1800 price could be a major deterrent even if it tests very positively.) So I think I just may wait a while longer for some of the 9500i's bugs to be worked out and combine it with the new ZR4 and Veil I think that could be the winning combination what do you guys think?
I have been doing the research and it seems that the Laser Interceptor is the best jammer out there however I like the convenience of having one unit that tells me everything. please help a newbie out.
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Default Laser Diode Jammers in the U.S. Market

dario99gst,

I haven't experience the new ZR4 as yet, so I am afraid, I can only offer an educated guess.

From the users that I have known personally, I believe the ZR3 has performed admirably and reliably over years of operating service, so I would hope and expect that the ZR4 should potentially perform, at least as well.

The Passport 8500 X50 is a terrific radar detector and has very good laser reception performance as well.

My question is why are you worried? Have either of these two units not provided adequate protection over a period of time?

Or is you worry stemming from perception by reading and video watching online?

While, I can understand your enthuisiasm for another laser jammer like the Laser Interceptor (LI) from some of the videos, I would recommend that you take them with a grain of salt.

Roy's videos and the GOL videos of the "eye-popping" performance were based on pre-production prototypes that were still being programmed for laser guns that it was incapable of detecting or jamming at the time.

In my opinion, they should have never been released to the public, because they were not production products, and may have served to mislead would-be laser jammer purchasers.

That's why, I believe, established reviewers in the industry have not reviewed them (or other similar products).

You will find support for these products online on other forums (sponsored by certain online-dealers selling these products).

I have resisted the temptation to speak about them and other similar products that are trickling into the US (through these unscrupulous "dealers") as they are patent-infrining products to Blinder which holds them (in the US and abroad).

Fast forward a year later or more later (to today) and I have heard of reports of routine and frequenct failure of such "dazzling" performance units.

What's the point of owning a 'high-performance" product if it is always in the shop?

Furthermore, I understand that when some of these units fail in the field, the systems are indicating that there is no problem, so an owner may not even be aware of their compromised jammer system. Blinder, for example, has an extensive self-checking and diagnostic system to indicate potential operating problems. These kind of diagnostic systems are essential and appear only in mature systems that are "over-engineered" (instead of being over-driven).

For these (and other) reasons, I have been sticking with the majors...the established players that have been in the jammer business for years, have paid their dues, and continue to support their products over a long-established period of time. These players include: Beltronics, Escort, and Blinder.

BTW: I believe Don of Cheetah USA has some new information about the LI that you referred to, that you might find informative:

LI Problem: Laser Interceptor DEAD heads but control box says all okay!

Bottom line: I believe you are in a good place with the existing equipment you have...Stick with the established players.

I hope this perspective helps you out and good luck with whatever you choose...Veil will work with any of them, quite well.

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My advice is to stick with your current setup and add Veil to your headlights and a Laser Shield or 3M tape to your plate. The ZR3 is a good jammer with its only weaknesses being the Stalker LZ1 and LA Atlanta in Stealth Mode. These weaknesses can be defeated with Veil and a Laser Shield or 3M tape. As far as the diode jammers go they have all had quality reliability issues and this is a fact. I have personally had AL's and LPP's go bad on me about six times total. I am sick of tearing them off my car then installing them again (replacements) to only have them go bad again a few months later.
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I have had the ZR3 X50 combo for well over 2 years now and have never been worried nor had any issues. The main reason I am worried is all the controversy on the forums, the videos, tests and the "laser diodes" vs "LED" thing.
I greatly appreciate the input on those "other" products. I don't have the experience or knowledge necessary to make an educated decision for my next purchase.
Since the next purchase (9500i) would have been $500 plus shipping and knowing myself as an avid speed enthusiast I found it hard to spend that kind of money without knowing that I was purchasing a great product. So since you can find anything on the internet I decided to research further and thankfully found this forum.

One thing I do know is the ZR3 has the self test every time it powers up. Now if it actually functions correctly I am not certain, I have only been "under fire" twice that I know of. (Both times I passed very confused cops) The other cool thing I have noticed is the X50 has a "self cal" which I'm assuming means self calibration. There is one negative, for the past couple months it has been "self cal" more than usual and every so often it says service required. (another reason why I want to get my 9500i and send in my X50 for repair)

I have two cars, one daily driver and my weekend "sports" car. The weekend car is the one that has the ZR3 and I have been switching the X50 back and forth. The daily driver saw 18000 miles in its first year with only the X50 for protection so I was very lucky. So before my luck runs out I need to protect myself further.

With both your comments I believe that my choice of 9500i + ZR4 + Veil could be the winning combination for the daily and Ill keep the ZR3 + X50 in the weekend car and add some Veil.

Happy, I don't have a front license plate so I don't think that I need the 3M or Laser shield tape correct?
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I have had the ZR3 X50 combo for well over 2 years now and have never been worried nor had any issues. The main reason I am worried is all the controversy on the forums, the videos, tests and the "laser diodes" vs "LED" thing.
I greatly appreciate the input on those "other" products. I don't have the experience or knowledge necessary to make an educated decision for my next purchase.
Since the next purchase (9500i) would have been $500 plus shipping and knowing myself as an avid speed enthusiast I found it hard to spend that kind of money without knowing that I was purchasing a great product. So since you can find anything on the internet I decided to research further and thankfully found this forum.

One thing I do know is the ZR3 has the self test every time it powers up. Now if it actually functions correctly I am not certain, I have only been "under fire" twice that I know of. (Both times I passed very confused cops) The other cool thing I have noticed is the X50 has a "self cal" which I'm assuming means self calibration. There is one negative, for the past couple months it has been "self cal" more than usual and every so often it says service required. (another reason why I want to get my 9500i and send in my X50 for repair)

I have two cars, one daily driver and my weekend "sports" car. The weekend car is the one that has the ZR3 and I have been switching the X50 back and forth. The daily driver saw 18000 miles in its first year with only the X50 for protection so I was very lucky. So before my luck runs out I need to protect myself further.

With both your comments I believe that my choice of 9500i + ZR4 + Veil could be the winning combination for the daily and Ill keep the ZR3 + X50 in the weekend car and add some Veil.

Happy, I don't have a front license plate so I don't think that I need the 3M or Laser shield tape correct?
If you do not have a front plate then you do not need a Laser Shield or 3M tape. I would highly recommend that you get a V1 over the 9500i though. It has much better sensitivity and its laser reception is the best on the market
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