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Very nice video, very professionally done. Those guys over at escort are really nice and know their stuff. I got the chance to speak with a few of them at this last years SEMA show in vegas. Escort make a great quality product, and have been around for a long time. Great Job Bob!!
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Thanks for the tips on the Bru. We'll check out the forum!



It's an '09 Legacy Special (with Pearlized "Burgundy," a new color of 2009). My wife didn't care for the leather seats as she runs a lot of our dogs in her cars.

What we ended up doing was installing options (like the fog lights) and some other things that normally come standard on the Limited version (which of course comes only in leather). I also pulled off the Yoko's and Plus-Zero sized her tires from the get go with 225/50 RE960AS tires (which handle quite well and cushion the 17" aluminiums a little better than the standard profile tires).

I wanted to put EBC green stuff on with "Cryo'd" rotors (because our '03 Bru's brakes were a bit "weak") but we decided to hold off to see if the brakes were sufficient improved (so far, they appear to be). (This is the setup I am using on my Vette and Bimmer to a very high-level of satisfaction).

As you can see when we picked up the vehicle from our Subaru dealer it was snowing like hell. We decided to break the car in on a road-trip upstate to Cabela's to get some special seat covers/protectors from the animals.

The '09 feels quite a bit more refined than our previous '03 or my parent's '97 Outback Wagon. The interior is improved and as you already know, I love the AUX input jack.

It was an unfortunate ownership experience with our original '03, but both SOA and our nearby Subaru Dealer really stepped-up to the plate when we needed to get out of the older one and into this one and gave us a deal that was hard to refuse. My wife does a lot of driving for her work and she certainly likes the AWD capability. As you know, there are not many smaller vehicles that have a rear-bias/AWD capability. We don't personally care much for gas-guzzling/high-center-of-gravity SUV's or small FWD with excessive torque-steering and/or understeering. I only wished the Bru got a little better gas mileage. But at least its regular not premium like the Bimmer.

Both of us are hoping that this vehicle has a good lidar cross-sectional profile. We're sure to Veil it soon and make some runs against some of our lasers...

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Thanks for the tips on the Bru. We'll check out the forum!
^ NP. It's a great place - with tons of knowledge and know-how about the BL/BP-chassis Legacys.

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It's an '09 Legacy Special (with Pearlized "Burgundy," a new color of 2009).
Ooooooooh....that's a nice one! Again, congrats!

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My wife didn't care for the leather seats as she runs a lot of our dogs in her cars.
Subaru's leather still isn't anything to write home about. Hopefully, this will also undergo a change, with the coming 2010 revamp.

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What we ended up doing was installing options (like the fog lights) and some other things that normally come standard on the Limited version (which of course comes only in leather). I also pulled off the Yoko's and Plus-Zero sized her tires from the get go with 225/50 RE960AS tires (which handle quite well and cushion the 17" aluminiums a little better than the standard profile tires).
I think you'll really like the RE960ASs. They are definitely among the preferred tires of our group, and seem to take well to the Legacy's weight-distribution and AWD setup.

I wish I had some tire-pressure settings to get you started off on, but that's sadly not a tire that I am intimately familiar with.

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I wanted to put EBC green stuff on with "Cryo'd" rotors (because our '03 Bru's brakes were a bit "weak") but we decided to hold off to see if the brakes were sufficient improved (so far, they appear to be). (This is the setup I am using on my Vette and Bimmer to a very high-level of satisfaction).
In the early days, the EBCs are were highly regarded in the BL/BP-chassis community.... It may be the particulars of how our braking system interacts with the rest of the hardware, but also could very well (most likely) be due to the fact that most who did this change, in the early days, did so while on stock rotors. I am not sure that anyone has revisited the EBCs since those early days (late 2005/early 2006), so YMMV.

Overall, the BL/BPs do very well with a simple pad change, and many AutoX or even track with such a setup towards very good results. I am not sure if your '09 Special Edition utilizes the same braking setup as the 2.5GT/3.0R variants, but that may be a very cost-effective upgrade (sourcing the calipers and rotors via the secondary market, you may be able to get nearly-new take-offs for very, very reasonable prices, as many 2.5GT owners seek out the '04 5x100 STi Brembos as an upgrade).

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The '09 feels quite a bit more refined than our previous '03 or my parent's '97 Outback Wagon.
Wow! You guys have a long Subaru history!

I came to Subarus totally by accident. I wanted something that's very safe and decently powerful for my wife, when we were preparing for our little Anna. We got her the WRX, and I'd been set to go the route of the WRX wagon, when I took a test-drive in my current Legacy.

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It was an unfortunate ownership experience with our original '03, but both SOA and our nearby Subaru Dealer really stepped-up to the plate when we needed to get out of the older one and into this one and gave us a deal that was hard to refuse.
Good dealers are hard to come by, and I'm glad that yours served you well.

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My wife does a lot of driving for her work and she certainly likes the AWD capability. As you know, there are not many smaller vehicles that have a rear-bias/AWD capability. We don't personally care much for gas-guzzling/high-center-of-gravity SUV's or small FWD with excessive torque-steering and/or understeering.
Very similar to our needs, too. Sara doesn't drive much, in terms of mileage, but she needs to be at work every day, no matter what the conditions, so her car, paired with dedicated winter tires (we share similar setups, albeit with differing bias - hers with Michelin Xi2s, mine with Dunlop 3Ds), insures that she gets there.

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I only wished the Bru got a little better gas mileage. But at least its regular not premium like the Bimmer.
This may well turn out to be the reason why we do not pursue a FI option for her next purchase, as it will require the use of premium....the only thing is that I do like the "active safety" of the FI, in that it allows her to get herself out of trouble, by putting the throttle down.

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Both of us are hoping that this vehicle has a good lidar cross-sectional profile. We're sure to Veil it soon and make some runs against some of our lasers...
Please let me know what you find.

I've got my headlights covered, as you know (the grill/font-plate area is well-defended by jammers), but I keep wondering about the external rearview mirrors' turn-signal elements.

Also - and here's where I embarrassingly do not remember if the '09s utilize a projector fog setup - I remain very concerned about the fogs. The problem there is two-fold, in that their optics are already rather weak, and provide a much-less-than-optimal beam-pattern for inclement-weather use (the upgrade to 85W bulbs can be made, but I'd feel better if you beefed-up the factory wiring a little, while you're at it - search my "TSi+WRX" screen-name and the screen-name of my friend, "outahere," and you'll find the necessary threads that address this upgrade). With even one layer of G4, I am not sure that they would retain sufficient usability. However, at the same time, particularly if the units are projectors, like that on my '05, it's also a rather serious "point-vulnerability."

[ Aside: Headlights. If your setup is still the H7, you'll like what the 65-watt solutions, such as the Osram Rallyes, have to bring. With one coat of G4, I perceive my current headlamp brightness to be somewhere in-between that of the factory 55W and the aftermarket 65W solution - and no, there's no worries of offending oncoming traffic, as long as your headlamps' aim is in-order. Furthermore, overall bulb-life should also be better than with the OEMs (this is an issue with the BL/BP-chassis vehicles, but it seems to be more isolated to the '05 and '06s). Also, in terms of the 9005 high-beam, investing in the HIR1 modification will further increase overall safety. Both are highly-recommended by our fellow BL/BP-chassis enthusiasts, and are also recommended by the likes of Daniel Stern. ]

Out rear, the in-bumper (corner) reflectors, a new addition since '08, poses a concern to me that's outside the context of the traditional rear profile. I would either outright replace them with aftermarket inserts (nice carbon-fiber ones are available) or, alternatively, dress with VEIL. To me, they truly serve no safety function (to properly frame this: I'm one of those guys who added a rear fog setup to my JDM tails as well as wired-in a rear-fog for my wife's WRX's factory setup, in order to achieve better rear-safety in inclement weather).



Tapping power for an in-vehicle detector can easily be done both at the rear of the ashtray or in utilizing either the overhead console or multi-function rearview mirror.

And you know where I like to put the remote mute/SmartCord - right there in the ashtray. Unless Subaru reversed the setup for the latter years, the ashtray is even placed in the right position, near the driver's side of the shifter stalk. This will provide complete coverage/concealment of the remote switchgear when the ashtray door is closed.


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TSi+WRX,

Thanks for such a thoughtful response.

I generally opt for Michelin Pilot Sport's, but Tire Rack has been showing very high response rates for the RE960's, so I figured I'd give them a turn on Lisa's 'Bru. The dealer gave me a great credit on the Yoko's that were on the new vehicle since they were never driven [on].

After some back-and-forth, I decided to up the profile height about 2% by going with a 225/50 with the expectation that the vehicle may ride ever-so more smoothly and that her alloys would be a little more protected from the [sometimes] horrible road surface conditions in our state.

Some years ago, my wife owned a CRX (one of my favorite all-time little vehicles) and I put a set of Blizzaks on in the winter time and the performance was absolutely incredible. In fact the car handled the white stuff so well, it felt that high-performance summer tire gripping (but in the snow/ice). Of course that vehicle was only FWD.

I believe all new '09 Bru's come standard with stability control (or at least the Specials on up).

With the '03 I had tried a series of Ceramic pads with the hope that the rotors would stand-up better. Tough to really determine if they did.

Recently I went with Cryo'd rotors on my Bimmer and 'Vette and opted to go back to the EBC green-stuff (tried the red-stuff) and I have been so far having very good results. If it's anything like the freezing of rifle barrels (for longevity and greater consistency cold/warm bore) I would expect these rotors would be more than enough match for a higher μ that one gets from a pad like the Kevlar-based green-stuff.

But I have to tell ya', so far I love that Aux jack hookup in the center console. It opens up a whole new ownership experience with the iPhone and Pandora. CDs? We don't need no stinkin' CDs!

BTW, the interior is very nicely lit in the evening with nice red and white gauges, very slick, IMO.

Under the advice of CP, at 2000 we are going to drop all gear fluids and replace them with fresh, in the hopes of maximizing drivetrain life...we've already delicately broken-in the vehicle the first 1000 miles...

I first came across 'Brus from a client of mine (in another lifetime) which used them throughout their fleet across the country (a company called Shadow Traffic). They had easily average 250k per vehicle (mostly highway) but they stressed how important it was to keep up with routine maintenance which they did, religiously.

Thanks so much for the tips, I suspect we'll see ya on the 'Bru forum.

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Thanks for such a thoughtful response.
No problem - I'm always glad to help fellow Scooby owners. I once left a note on the window of a Legacy that I parked next to at the grocery store, letting the owner know that one of their tires was really low. When I went back to the car, the same note was affixed to my windshield wiper, and on the back was written: "Thank you! This is why I love owning a Subaru."

It's a community.

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After some back-and-forth, I decided to up the profile height about 2% by going with a 225/50 with the expectation that the vehicle may ride ever-so more smoothly and that her alloys would be a little more protected from the [sometimes] horrible road surface conditions in our state.
Same here.

My summer rims are a set of rather heavy Prodrive PFF7s. I traded the weight for strength.

In the winter, I ride on a set of el-cheapo Sport Editions, which means that if I managed to bend a rim, I won't cry.

Sara's WRX is also on a rather "tall" set of tires. 215/50s. Same idea.

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Some years ago, my wife owned a CRX (one of my favorite all-time little vehicles) and I put a set of Blizzaks on in the winter time and the performance was absolutely incredible. In fact the car handled the white stuff so well, it felt that high-performance summer tire gripping (but in the snow/ice). Of course that vehicle was only FWD.
The entire Blizzak line has a hard-won reputation, and indeed, are among the favorites for Subaru and Audi owners.

I debated (more like agonized) between the Bridgestone Blizzak WS60 - which was new last season - and the Xi2s for a good while. What swung me was the claim by Michelin that the Xi2's treadlife will be 75% better than that of the WS60 (a claim to which Bridgestone's legal team has not contested), and the fact that in several winter tests where the tread-depth was shaved down past that which utilizes Bridgestone's proprietary surface-layer compound, the Michelins then seemed to hold an edge.

Regardless, this is all past-history, now. No doubt this coming winter will see a whole new set of tires coming out, again besting their predecessors.

That said, I'd like to, if I ever get the chance, give Bridgestone's Link-MULTICELL compound equipped tires a try....hopefully, with their next iteration, they'll be able to incorporate its use into the more performance-oriented winter tires.

Hopefully, by that time, they'll have figured out how to do that. Tire technology is just amazing stuff.

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I believe all new '09 Bru's come standard with stability control (or at least the Specials on up).
IIRC, that is indeed the case.

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Recently I went with Cryo'd rotors on my Bimmer and 'Vette and opted to go back to the EBC green-stuff (tried the red-stuff) and I have been so far having very good results. If it's anything like the freezing of rifle barrels (for longevity and greater consistency cold/warm bore) I would expect these rotors would be more than enough match for a higher μ that one gets from a pad like the Kevlar-based green-stuff.
Indeed, I wonder if the issues that the early-adopters of the EBC "Green Stuff" pads (with the BL/BP-chassis Legacys) saw were related to their use of the factory/OEM rotors, and that it was a bad pairing. This certainly could be the case.

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But I have to tell ya', so far I love that Aux jack hookup in the center console. It opens up a whole new ownership experience with the iPhone and Pandora. CDs? We don't need no stinkin' CDs!

BTW, the interior is very nicely lit in the evening with nice red and white gauges, very slick, IMO.
The interior design of these latest-generation Subarus have definitely been a big step up from prior generations. The Tribeca, when it first arrived in 2005/6, won an interior design award, and I think that really helped bolster Subaru's interior design confidence.

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Under the advice of CP, at 2000 we are going to drop all gear fluids and replace them with fresh, in the hopes of maximizing drivetrain life...we've already delicately broken-in the vehicle the first 1000 miles...

I first came across 'Brus from a client of mine (in another lifetime) which used them throughout their fleet across the country (a company called Shadow Traffic). They had easily average 250k per vehicle (mostly highway) but they stressed how important it was to keep up with routine maintenance which they did, religiously.
Yes, routine maintenance is critical - and I also am very religious in this respect.

The FI-'05s have a metal screen in two of the turbo feed-lines, and negligence in terms of engine lubricant maintenance can cause these filters to clog, which would lead to starvation of the turbo's critical lubricant supply. When SOA issued an update, recommending OCIs of 3,750 miles, this caught-out some in the community, but as I've always been a religious 3K-miles/3-months (whichever first, as I'm low-mileage, being a city-dweller), I had no problems.

It's definitely good to keep on top of these small things.

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Thanks so much for the tips, I suspect we'll see ya on the 'Bru forum.
Again, no need to thank me - I'm just glad to help!

I've been on LGT.com since mid-2005, when Winky came into our lives (Anna, who's grown up with Winky, will actually personify her from time to time, and I find her talking to Winky, occasionally - which is very sweet), and in so far as the basics go, I'm decently well-knowledged.

What I unfortunately won't be able to help you with would be the intimate details of the '09, as well as, sadly, items that relate specifically to the non-FI engine variant.

But otherwise, I can help!


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