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Which part do you want first? How V1 has out performed Beltronics for year after year, or how V1's software has dominated Bel's top of the line radar detectors in 4 out of 5 testing websites including speedzones, car&driver,radarone,motortrend, should I keep going... Just because you pull apart radar detectors, tells me nothing. I guess you think your a engineer now right. First of all I'm not a "fanboy", second you need to learn how to address people when you talk.. Third If you can't stand the fact that V1's in almost every radar detector testing forum/ third party testing has been kicking Beltronics butt, well too bad. I happen to know that plastic does not hold up against heat like magnesium does, I also know that Mike valentine was the "mind" behind escort/passport back in the day and forked off to make a radar detector that would beat both Bel and escort in performance. Bel nor escort which are now the same company, to me in my opinion are even close to V1. There have been a few test recently to show that the Bel/escorts can stay head to head with the V1 in Ka and K performance.. But look how long it took them. Since 1992 V1 has really had the better radar detector overall. Many will disagree, and thats fine.. But when independent testers all show the V1 picking up faster and better range, not to mention its the only radar detector to have a true front/rear antenna (window mounted that is). Then where is the Bel and escort???? Again I like both radar detectors. My V1 has out performed every Bel I have owned. Thats why I drive with the Best and nothing Less..


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hich part do you want first? How V1 has out performed Beltronics for year after year, or how V1's software has dominated Bel's top of the line radar detectors in 4 out of 5 testing websites including speedzones, car&driver,radarone,motortrend, should I keep going.
SV/ generalizations as usual. The v1 did indeed dominate radar detector tests in it's first few years but it's lead has slipped into nonexistence for more then a few years now fanboy.


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Just because you pull apart radar detectors, tells me nothing. I guess you think your a engineer now right.
sv/ I build electronic circuits in my spare time. The Bell has very high quality surface mount technology throughout it detector line. They manage to package this technology into detectors half the size of a v1.



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First of all I'm not a "fanboy"
Sv/ Your sure talk like one repeating valentine's advertising lines. This is always the first direct giveaway of a V1 zoombie/fanboy..




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second you need need to learn how to address people when you talk..
SV/ Why to show the proper difference for your limited rd knowlege? You need to not be such a fanboy..




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Third If you can't stand the fact that V1's in almost every radar detector testing forum/ third party testing has been kicking Beltronics butt, well too bad.
SV/ Again your true fanboy nature rears it's ugly head. This is hardly the truth and you know it. I believe you need to learn how to address people when you talk.


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I happen to know that plastic does not hold up against heat like magnesium does.

SV/ Apparently that hasn't helped the v1 because craig peterson proved that heat did v1 in where the bell would reset it's self after it cooled own again and work normally.



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I also know that Mike valentine was the "mind" behind escort/passport back in the day and forked off to make a radar detector that would beat both Bel and escort in performance.
SV/ I believe this was because of his well known toxic nature then anything else. People wanted him out. You do know he DIDN"T design the V1 don't you? Two of his head engineers are resposnsible for that yet he take total credit for the design. He also wasn't the first to use two use two antenna to find radars direction though he claims it to be. He swiped that idea and patent it under his own name is all...





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Bel nor escort which are now the same company, to me in my opinion are even close to V1.
Sv/ spoken like a true fanboy/zoombie


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There have been a few test recently to show that the Bel/escorts can stay head to head with the V1 in Ka and K performance.

SV/actually there are more then a few test where the v1 get solidly beaten in many bands..



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look how long it took them. Since 1992 V1 has really had the better radar detector overall.
SV/ Overall? overall what? This is just the generalizations I mean...


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Many will disagree, and thats fine.. But when independent testers all show the V1 picking up faster and better range, not to mention its the only radar detector to have a true front/rear antenna (window mounted that is). Then where is the Bel and escort???? Again I like both radar detectors. My V1 has out performed every Bel I have owned. Thats why I drive with the Best and nothing Less..

SV/ many independent tests Do NOT show the v1 is superior in any way to the newer detectors. In fact the Bells and escort detectors match or beat it now...


Steigal, I am glad you dream of nothing but your v1. Most fanboys do. It really isn't your fault so I shouldn't blame you buddy.

When you have a product developer claiming his product is "a religion" and is brain washing people's minds into buying into his nonsense can I really blame you?

It sure isn't because of the product because people can and do get tickets with the v1 all the time even when police radar and lazer is operated normally with no trickery involved. I have noticed from my own experiances and many others posts that many v1's have a real bad bad habit of "going out of tune" and need to be sent back to the factory for a retuning. Do they warn you of this? No, the first warning is when a police car pulls you over! My Bell still works like a charm and I have never needed to send it back to the factory for a retuning...ever.

I always love the posts..

"WTF did I do wrong,I was using a v1!"


Now I am going to let you go buddy. I have had similiar conversations with every V1 Zoombie out there..

"It's a religion..it doesn't just beap...it has arrows...Yada..Yada..Yada..."
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GB,

Be careful...'best' can mean different things to different people.

Without a doubt, the Valentine One is a terrific radar detector with great pedigree (Valentine Research).

But in today's market there are a lot of great radar detectors, each which behave a little differently.

To be entirely candid, I can't say for sure which is the absolute "best" because they each have different design and performance objectives that, IMO, go beyond merely detecting a radar (or laser) signal at the earliest possible moment (which at certain times may not always be optimal).

Try driving, say with a stock-setting V1 (versus a stock-setting Escort Passport 9500i) around town and then on an open and remote stretch of roadway, and these philosophical difference will become more apparent.

Beltronics and (particularly Escort, I believe) try to take their highly sensitive radar detectors to the another level: filtering out unnecessary alerts. This philosophy is extended to their default settings behaviors.

To even attempt this while at the same time balancing alert quickness is an extremely daunting task, indeed and I applaud both companies for their different approaches to achieving [or even seeking to achieve] a fine balance. Valentine, to be sure, also does signal processing and post signal processing and takes a different approach to identifying certain Ka-falses (with its "Junk" alerting feature).

Whichever approaches are adopted by each manufacturer, advanced filtering is a Herculean task, without a doubt.

When a radar detector's sensitivity approaches/exceeds -120dbm (a jaw-dropping number), the "easy" thing for a manufacturer to do is to simply alert to the signal.

Performing additional processing in an attempt to "intelligently" alert while minimizing alerting latencies is a much, much harder accomplishment.

That I believe is one philosophical distinction between these radar detectors which ultimately serve to reduce driver fatigue and the potential for alert signal disregard as a consequence.


When I drive with other windshield-mount radar detectors such as the Bel Vector 955 (V955), Beltronics (BEL) RX-65 Pro, Escort 8500 X50, Escort Passport 9500i, Beltronics STi Driver, Whistler Pro 78, Whistler XTR 690 (especially around ever increasing and more densely populated roadways, I appreciate each of these engineering achievements for what they are and how they each do what they do. 10/11 mile theoretical alert range would be somewhat of a handicap, in my opinion.

I feel well protected by any of them and that includes certain high-end models from Whistler, as well.

The same will also hold true for the new "big dogs," on the block, that will be making their ways into the vehicles of only the most fortunate [well-heeled] drivers, the Beltronics STi Remote and the Escort Passport 9500ci (which takes intelligent filtering of police radar to an even higher level).

The one area that is not as subjective, in my opinion, is with the police laser reception performance of the Valentine One. It still has no equal and is in a class all by itself.

In the final analysis, we have many different flavors of ice-cream, for a reason.

I used to prefer vanilla, but lately (in my later years) I have been tending towards chocolate.

My wife (Veil Gal) prefers rocky-road (which I don't particularly care for, especially when I am behind the wheel ).

Which one do you think is best?
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Smile I respect that Veil Guy :)

I respect what your saying Veil guy. I agree with how you seem to fall towards a different flavor over time. But my flavor is V1 and my second Flavor is Bel. I truly like the arrows and the fact it has been so reliable, "8 years to be exact now" and heat has never been a issue like Mr. STALKERVISION claims.. At night to me the V1 really shines with its bogey counter and arrows, telling you the location of the cop. I don't really care much for a talking radar detector. My girlfriend talks enough for me.

So in conclusion to all of this, "We all have our favorites and yes I truely love the V1 thats why I like to talk about it so much.

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steagall1000,

Mine too (but don't tell her that)...

I too, love the Valentine One for what it represents , what it continues to do, and its long-established pedigree.

I have just come to share my love for other radar detector models, as well, and I am certainly not trying to change anyone's opinion, just that I am being open-minded, that's all.

To be sure, [that] doesn't make me any less of a fan of the mighty V1, not by a long shot!

At the end of the day, I am just thrilled that we, as drivers, have so many good choices today...that wasn't always the case.

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